You asked a good question, in a sober way and I will try to answer this question. BTW, President Bush never said Iraq posed an imminent threat to the US. He has also never said Iraq was involved in 9/11. Repeating words used by Winston Churchill in describing Nazi Germany, President Bush referred to Iraq as a grave and gathering danger. He further stated that if Iraq was an imminent danger, it would be too late. I have found some links for you to read. Google is your friend. About WMDs and Saddam proclivity to using them: http://www.hrw.org/reports/1993/iraqgas/ http://projects.sipri.se/cbw/research/factsheet-1984.html http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/16/sprj.irq.massacre.memory.ap/ http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/correspondent/2785095.stm http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm?include=detail&storyid=670120 http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005096 Mass graves: http://www.cpa-iraq.org/pressreleases/20040224_mass_graves.html http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,102568,00.html http://www.shianews.com/hi/articles/politics/0000374.php Saddam's gentle good nature: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/2058253 .stm http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-04-13-saddam-secrets-usat_x .htm http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3007499&thesection=ne ws&thesubsection=world His ties to terrorists and al Qaeda: http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_15-7-2004_pg4_3 http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/527uwa bl.asp http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/167gwj tp.asp http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/salman_pak.htm http://www.nationalreview.com/mccarthy/mccarthy200406170840.asp http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/decade/sect5.html And this from the Russians just recently: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53096-2004Jun18.html And finally, I thought you should read this one: http://www.suntimes.com/output/novak/cst-edt-novak15.html Denys -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Paden [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 5:35 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: RE: [HP3000-L] OT: Where Bush conspiracy theories come from To All: First I would like to apologize for doing my part in reviving or sustaining a thread that has lived long past it's useful life. I would also like to say 'ditto' to Adam's comments. To Denys (or others able to answer): When the drumbeats of war emanating from GW, DC, DR, et al began to reach the ears of the US public, the reasons for the beating of the drums were very clearly given that Iraq posed an imminent, significant threat to the US and that Iraq was involved in some direct or indirect way in terrorism. To me those contentions were not believable at the time and considering all the information I've been able to come across those contentions seem far less believable. What credible, specific evidence do you know of that supports those contentions? * To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, * * etc., please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html *