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Ric Merz <[log in to unmask]>
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Yes, boycotts only work when everybody supports them.

Is there a chance to change HP decision through stock holders?  Can enough
"spin" be created to influence the big stockholders (aside from family)
that deserting loyal customers is really, really bad for business?

BTW, I'm only 25% French, does my opinion still count? :>)



At 12:09 PM 11/29/2001 +0100, you wrote:
>Are you aware of the OpenMPE forum on Yahoo ? This forum has been created by
>Jon Backus to discuss the feasability of pursuing with MPE after HP orphans
>it. The link is, I think
>
>http://groups/yahoo.com/group/OpenMPE
>
>My feeling (only speaking for myself at this stage) is that a boycott is
>counter-productive, for more than one reason :
>
>1) HP may not care at all - At best, MPE business was about 1% of HP sales,
>so it's no big deal if they lose that.
>2) To be even remotely effective, a boycott has to be enforced by all actors
>in the community, and that includes vendors, software publishers, suppliers,
>consultants, etc. Please note that there are people out there who are
>struggling to merely keep their companies in business and their people
>employed. The last thing they need is yet another sales slump, this one
>self-inflicted. I'm ready to bet the farm that they would not join a
>boycott.
>3) You're most likely going to hurt mostly yourself by choosing non-HP
>products instead of choosing the best products. Note that I'm not
>systematically endorsing HP products, I'm simply advocating a wide choice
>based on an objective evaluation of available solutions, considering your
>needs - and your budget too.
>
>Besides, you may contact me directly : I am a member of the OpenMPE forum, I
>have some MPE knowledge, and I am French too.
>
>Christian Lheureux
>Responsable du Département Systèmes et Réseaux / Head of Systems and
>Networks Department
>APPIC R.H.
>business partner hp invent
>Tel : +33-1-69-80-97-22   /   Fax : +33-1-69-80-97-14 / e-mail :
>[log in to unmask]
>"Le Groupe APPIC recrute, contactez nous !"
>
>
>
>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]]De la
>> part de Gregory Aberto
>> Envoyé : jeudi 29 novembre 2001 11:17
>> À : [log in to unmask]
>> Objet : [HP3000-L] Death of HP3000 and 'boycott' action
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Sorry for the english but I'm French and not very good in
>> this language...
>>
>> We are a small company which have 2 HP3000 and many other HP products
>> (LaserJet DeskJet Scanner PC  PCServers).
>>
>> All was good for the 3000 in March 2001, now this is another
>> 'way of life'
>>
>> My chairman doesn't agree this unilateral decision and decide
>> himself to
>> not buy another HP product in the futur.
>>
>> We hope that this action if other companies follow us would
>> perhaps change
>> the HP decision.
>>
>> Why are we doing this ?
>>
>> 1/ HP3000 is a good solution and we have all our applications on them
>> 2/ If HP can do this with the 3000 why doesn't with 9000 ?
>> 3/ Where can we find other system :
>>       - HP-UX is most expensive (server most powerful needed
>> and soft from
>> third party with all the problems that can exist)
>>       - NT, 2000 or XP, sorry Mr Bill but we not accept your
>> whishes to
>> be 'master of the world'
>>       - Linux is not really a good solution actually
>> 4/ we don't have billions of Euro to put in the migration
>> after Y2K and
>> EURO projects...
>>

>> Many companies have HP3000 in the world, we hope that this
>> action will be
>> follow by them.
>>
>> For all who agree with us: thanks a lot !!!
>>
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