But the "primary" was created for the benefit of political parties as a
means to pre-select a party's candidate. (In some states, they're also
sometimes used for the dual purpose of putting forward legislative
referendums. But that's another topic.)
Trying to "shoehorn" an independent into the primary ballot makes no
sense, since an independent by definition has no party, it would serve
no political purpose.
----
Unless you're trying to say you'd want to use the primary procedure to
force a political party to accept an independent as their candidate?
Then by definition, the independent would no longer be, an independent.
The candidate would then become, a party's candidate.
Tracy Johnson
Measurement Specialties, Inc.
BT
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Michael Baier
> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 2:43 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: Ramblin's by a recent political lurker :)
>
>
> Hi Art,
>
> but thats exactly the problem nowadays.
> Everything is about the party and not about the person.
> As long as he/she is a member of the correct party it doesn't
> matter if =
>
> he/she is the biggest idiot/crook.
> He/she is then a fine member of the correct party and has to be
> defended/supported no matter what.
>
> Michael "always in flame-suit"
>
> On Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:36:07 -0700, Art Bahrs
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:=
>
>
> >Hi Tracy :)
> >
> > Ok... good point ... which under Oregon rules they don't get to
> > vot=
> e
> >for those slots in the Primaries... definitely a 'problem'
> in Oregon...
> >=
> but
> >there have been times in the past that I would actually have
> preferred
> >t=
> o
> >vote for a democrat in a primary... and not for Shawn's
> reasons.... it
> >don't happen often but it does happen :) The issue is, in
> my mind, if =
> it
> >is going to be fair it should be either open or closed none of this
> >part=
> y
> >specific stuff!
> >
> >Art "Native Oregonian = Endangered but not protected species
> hehe " Ba=
> hrs
> >=========================
> ==========================
> ======
> >Art Bahrs, CISSP Information Security The
> Regence Gro=
> up
> >(503) 225-4992 FAX (503) 220-3806
> >
> >
> >
> > "Johnson,
> > Tracy"
> > <Tracy.Johnson
> =
> To
> > @MEAS-SPEC.COM [log in to unmask]
> > >
> =
> cc
> > Sent by:
> > "HP-3000
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> > Systems Re: [HP3000-L] OT:
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> > Discussion" recent political lurker :)
> > <HP3000-L@RAVE
> > N.UTC.EDU>
> >
> >
> > 06/05/2006
> > 11:26 AM
> >
> >
> > Please respond
> > to
> > "Johnson,
> > Tracy"
> > <Tracy.Johnson
> > @MEAS-SPEC.COM
> > >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >I'm confused. Independents aren't even on the ballot in primaries.
> >
> >Tracy Johnson
> >Measurement Specialties, Inc.
> >
> >BT
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >NNNN
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> >> Behalf Of J Dolliver
> >> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 2:12 PM
> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: Ramblin's by a recent
> political lurker :)
> >>
> >>
> >> Sure, Where are the monkey's flying this week....! Ykes if
> this were
> >> only true then we would have had an independent elected for the
> >> office of the president back in 1988..
> >>
> >> Then this country would have been in the best shape ever with a
> >> balanced budget and a strong economy and short hair with
> dress codes
> >> for school grades 1 through 12.
> >>
> >>
> >> -------------- Original message from Shawn Gordon
> >> <[log in to unmask]>: --------------
> >>
> >>
> >> > I use to be all for an open primary, but what has
> happened here in
> >> > california against republicans and in other states against
> >> democrats
> >> > is that when one party basically has a lock on their
> nominee, then
> >> > they will vote for the other party and pick the weaker
> candidate to
> >> > try and put them over the top so that their candidate will
> >> be facing
> >> > the weaker candidate, and it totally works. So I'm not so
> >> sure I dig
> >> > the open primary so much.
> >> >
> >> > At 10:07 AM 6/5/2006, Art Bahrs wrote:
> >> > >Hi Adam, Brice, Wirt, and Others :)
> >> > > Ok... Sorry, Brice but I don't agree with any of you :)
> >> but that is the
> >> > >nice thing here in our country ... we don't have to agree
> >> and usually don't
> >> > >:)
> >> > >
> >> > > I have met Wirt and Val ... and they are definitely good
> >> people with
> >> > >excellent taste in restuarants and food :) And I relly do
> >> read his posts so
> >> > >that I can learn... I may not agree with him... but he
> >> does have that nasty
> >> > >habit of quoting facts and sources :) I can read and
> >> decide myself.
> >> > >
> >> > > Politically? I doubt Wirt and I agree on very much ...
> >> come to think
> >> > >of it... probably very few people agree with me
> >> politically! hehehe
> >> > >
> >> > >Now... immgration you don't even want to hear my suggested
> >> > >practices...
> >> > >:)
> >> > >
> >> > > But to give you a fun political one to ponder... I found out
> >> > >recently that there is a move afoot here in Oregon to switch our
> >> Primary election
> >> > >from 'closed' to 'open',
> >> > >
> >> > > Our primary elections are closed meaning as a Republican
> >> (shocker I
> >> > >know! hehe) I can only vote for Republican candidates if
> >> the position is
> >> > >party specific (Judgeships aren't and so on) Democrats can
> >> only vote for
> >> > >Democrats... but Libritarians (sp) and other parties can't
> >> really vote
> >> > >unless their is one of their candidates is running or
> >> something like
> >> > >that... you know the weird concept of equal treatement for
> >> all parties...
> >> > >:)
> >> > >
> >> > > Now, personally ever since my Dad helped me plan how I
> would vote
> >> > >the first time I voted I have questioned Oregon's
> Primary system
> >> > >and fairness... on the General election I can vote for
> >> anyone... why not a
> >> > >truly open Primary? Been asking that one for the last 25 years!
> >> > >
> >> > > Note... the movement here to "open" our primary is not to
> >> open it so
> >> > >registered voter could vote for any candidate... but that
> >> Libriartiians
> >> > >(sp) can vote for any candidate... the rest of the parties
> >> supposedly would
> >> > >still remain closed!
> >> > >
> >> > > um... huh?
> >> > >
> >> > >Art "just to make ya'All think :) " Bahrs
> >> > >
> >> > >========================
> ==========================
> =======
> >> > >Art Bahrs, CISSP Information Security The Regence Group
> >> > >(503) 225-4992 FAX (503) 220-3806
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > "Adam
> >> > > Dorritie"
> >> > > > > IL.COM> [log in to unmask]
> >> > > Sent by: cc
> >> > > "HP-3000
> >> > > Systems Subject
> >> > > Discussion" Re: [HP3000-L] OT: GWB's fault
> >> > > > > N.UTC.EDU>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > 06/05/2006
> >> > > 09:35 AM
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Please respond
> >> > > to
> >> > > "Adam
> >> > > Dorritie"
> >> > > > > IL.COM>
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> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >On 6/5/06, Brice Yokem wrote:
> >> > > > 1) You talk about the 'few' responses on this list.
> I claim the
> >> > > > political viewpoints posted here are not 'few' and
> my expressed
> >> > > > opinion was not based solely upon the responses in
> this thread.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > 2) Can you show me a link where you disagreed with
> Wirt on some
> >> > > > political subject posted here on this list? And I don't mean
> >> > > > something trivial like if John Kerry turned his eyes left
> >> > > > instead of right during a debate.
> >> > >
> >> > >0) As a side note, I have the same problem with wrap on
> >> your e-mail
> >> > >as
> >> > >I did with Michael's
> >> > >
> >> > >1) Even if the entirety of this list were rabid leftists
> >> whose hearts
> >> > >bled so much that they required constant resupply, this
> would be a
> >> > >microscopic portion and completely unrepresentative sample
> >> of the set
> >> > >of "liberals." Viva Che!
> >> > >
> >> > >2) Sure. I mentioned my support for the war in Iraq.
> >> That's a pretty
> >> > >fundamental difference. Now I think that I was wrong
> and the cost
> >> > >was disproportionate compared to our benefit, but
> >> hindsight is 20-20
> >> > >and at our liberal parties (we have those you know:) I
> always get
> >> > >uncomfortably silent when folks talk about GWB's move into
> >> Iraq. In
> >> > >this thread, I was also castigating Denys for what I
> perceived was
> >> > >misinformation, but read through and you'll see it. I try
> >> not to post
> >> > >just to express my views, but do feel compelled (likely
> >> far too often)
> >> > >to express myself when I believe things are being
> >> distorted. In the
> >> > >thread below, you'll also find a theme consistent with
> my posting
> >> > >today-- that I dislike extremists from both sides and have
> >> little time
> >> > >for those whose opinions are formulaic rather than cogent.
> >> > >
> >> > >(forgive the length of the link and watch for wrap)
> >> >
> >> >http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=Where+Bush+conspiracy+th
> >> eories+come+from&n
> >> >
> >> um=10&scoring=r&hl=en&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_=
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> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >3) To preempt the next question, I offer this: the
> reason I don't
> >> > >respond to what I often consider Michael's maniacal
> rants from the
> >> > >left is that there are plenty of others on this list who
> >> succeed at
> >> > >expressing my concerns with his posts.
> >> > >
> >> > >By the by, I've never met Wirt (although he seems like an
> >> interesting
> >> > >guy and I share his love of good Mexican food having
> grown up in
> >> > >Orange County, CA). I'm not sure he's a "liberal", to be
> >> honest, but
> >> > >he knows far better than either of us.
> >> > >
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