" You don't belong to the government, and it's not the
government's responsibility to provide you with a job.  It's the government's
job to clear
the way for you to exercise your free choices, develop your skills, hone your
work ethic, and contract with an employer eager to hire someone like you.  "

That's ok by me...what I'm against is that same government granting tax breaks/incentives to companies that hinders my ability to exercise my free choices, develop skills, hone my work ethic, and contract with an employer eager to hire someone like me. ". 

Ray Shahan


> -----Original Message-----
> From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [SMTP:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Craig Lalley
> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 1:25 PM
> To:   [log in to unmask]
> Subject:           [HP3000-L] OT: Endangered species: US programmers
> 
> --- John Lee <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> > Where is it written that it's the President's job to employ everyone?  Some
> > of you need to go and study the American constitution.  Or maybe think
> > before you speak.  It is NOT part of his or her duties.  Nor is providing
> > flu vaccine.  In the good old USA, we rely on ourselves to provide for
> > ourselves, or at least that's the way it used to be.  Do you really want to
> > grant to one person the power to dictate whether or not you can manufacture
> > overseas?  Or hire programmers from another country?  Why would you want to
> > give one person that power?
> 
> Hat tip to Neal Boortz
> 
> Talk show host Neal Boortz tells us how he would have answered that debate
> question on what he> '> d say to a worker who lost his or her job to a worker
> overseas...
> 
>           * * * QUOTE * * *
> 
> "First of all, Bob, I would tell them that it is not their job.  The job
> belongs to the employer, not the employee.  You have the job skills.  The
> employer
> has the jobs.  If the employer can make a profit by purchasing your job skills
> to
> perform his job then you get a paycheck.  If your job skills cost the employer
> too much, or if your job skills don't meet the employer's needs, then you don't
> 
> get a paycheck.  If you fail to develop your job skills, you run the risk of
> not having a paycheck.  If your job skills don't match the employer's needs,
> you
> don't get a paycheck.  If you charge too much for your job skills, you won't
> get hired.
> 
> "> You have no right to a job.  You do have a right to be left alone by
> government and your fellow citizens  to develop your own God-given talents in
> such a way
> that employers will seek you out.  You also have a right to ignore educational
> opportunities and to develop a slovenly work ethic so that employers will shun
> you.  You make your choices, and you live with the consequences of your
> decisions.  I would tell that person that any American with desirable job
> skills and a
> good worth ethic, properly priced, would have to hide under his bed to avoid
> getting a good job.
> 
> "> If you believe in the year 2004 that you can build a sound career as a textile
> 
> plant worker in South Carolina then you are living a lie, and that delusion
> will soon catch up to you.  You need to understand that you are a free and
> sovereign individual. You don't belong to the government, and it's not the
> government's responsibility to provide you with a job.  It's the government's
> job to clear
> the way for you to exercise your free choices, develop your skills, hone your
> work ethic, and contract with an employer eager to hire someone like you.  Past
> 
> that, you're on your own, and that's life in a free society."
> 
>           * * * UNQUOTE * * *
> 
> Hoo-hah!  Gotta love that entire answer...but I> '> d have been thrilled if
> President Bush had simply responded with just the first two sentences.  Now try
> this
> Boortz answer to the question about the minimum wage> ...> 
> 
>           * * * QUOTE * * *
> 
> "> Look, Bob.  Wages are something to be negotiated between the employer and the
> employee.   It is not the job of government to set wages for private sector
> employees.  Our Constitution specifically states that the government is not to
> alter the terms of a contract between individuals.  The matter of wages paid
> for
> services rendered is something to be resolved in negotiations between the
> employer and employee and then expressed in the terms of a contract between the
> 
> parties.  The government has no role here.
> 
> And while I'm addressing this, let's talk about the people who are actually
> earning the minimum wage.  Most of these people are teenagers working in
> entry-level jobs.  They're developing job skills and will only spend a minimum
> amount of
> time at the minimum wage.
> 
> "> But what about that small number of people who are trying to raise a family on
> 
> minimum wage?  My opponent won't say this.  It's harsh, but it's the truth.  If
> 
> you have done such a pathetic job of developing job skills and a work ethic
> that you cannot earn more than the minimum wage, then you have no business
> having
> children.  We have far too many people in this country who have children that
> they know full well they cannot afford to raise.  The answer to this problem is
> 
> not to force employers to pay them more than they are worth.  The answer is to
> educate people as to the cost of properly raising a child, and to encourage
> them to make sure they can pay the bills before they make the decision to have
> a
> baby."
> 
>           * * * UNQUOTE * * *
> 
> 
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