Wow!!  This is breaking new ground!!  John, this is a truly great statement (and we should all take heed of it) "OK John, I agree with you to a point. ".

        As for your question:

         "But what about those that interpret
        the Koran as stating that jihad needs to be declared against anyone the
        Koran considers an infidel?  (which incidentally, includes you and me).
        What do we do about them?  And the hundreds, maybe thousands, of schools
        they have built to train thousands and thousands to carry out this jihad?
        Is it OK for them to kill us because that's how they interpret the Koran?"

         that's easy, they can do all the jihad they want, but if they kill, we kill them...all of them.  

        Ray Shahan

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> OK John, I agree with you to a point.  But what about those that interpret
> the Koran as stating that jihad needs to be declared against anyone the
> Koran considers an infidel?  (which incidentally, includes you and me).
> What do we do about them?  And the hundreds, maybe thousands, of schools
> they have built to train thousands and thousands to carry out this jihad?
> Is it OK for them to kill us because that's how they interpret the Koran?
> 
> John Lee
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 04:34 PM 10/15/04 +0100, John Dunlop wrote:
> >Denys,
> >
> >Like Bush, you just don't get it do you.
> >
> >All this talk about bringing democracy to the Islamic countries...
> >They don't want your democracy!
> >
> >They are ISLAMIC countries. They live by the rules laid down in the Koran
> which provides for every aspect of their society.
> >They don't want democracy. There is no provision for democracy in the
> Koran. This concept of Democracy is a Western ideology which doesn't fit
> into the Islamic view of the world.
> >
> >Why don't you and Bush understand this.
> >You are not doing Islamic countries any favours by forcing on them an
> ideology they do not want!
> >
> >Unfortunatley, in the monumental arrogance expressed by many Americans,
> what the US has is the best and everyone else should have it whether they
> like it or not.
> >
> >Do you get it yet?
> >
> >Cheers,
> >
> >John Dunlop
> >
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> >Web : http://www.jdunlop.net
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