Sorry Paul, I have been off the air all day. I just put in a 14 hour
day at a customer site and I finally connected to download my mail.
I won't have time to go through it tonight and I need to pack and leave
for HP World tomorrow morning. My agenda for the next several days is
totally full but I will try to answer your terse message at some point.
Thanks for asking.
And I hope to see all of you at HP World. Don't forget the HP3000-L
luncheon on Wednesday. I WILL be there come Hades or high water.
A safe trip to all.
Denys
-----Original Message-----
From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf Of Paul Christidis
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 7:06 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: Cheap Shots, Politics, and Polarization
Denys,
Since you are not known for your laconism, I must assume that you agree
with everything else.
Thanks
Regards
Paul Christidis
"Denys Beauchemin" <[log in to unmask]> wrote on
08/12/2004
03:45:03 PM:
> Scott McClellan is wrong.
>
> Denys
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Paul Christidis
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 5:20 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: Cheap Shots, Politics, and Polarization
>
> HP-3000 Systems Discussion <[log in to unmask]> wrote on
08/10/2004
> 02:05:17 PM:
>
> > After a lengthy diatribe Wirt quoted President Bush, probably in the
> > hope of underlining what he thought of the President. The quote is:
> >
> > "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They
never
> > stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and
> > neither do we."
> >
> > --George W. Bush 2004/08/05
> << snip >>
>
> > The quote from President Bush shows that his administration knows we
> are
> > at war with these terrorists. His administration is on a war
footing,
> > trying to think of any and all ways in which terrorists could
inflict
> > damage to our country and work to prevent it. His administration is
> not
> > lacking in imagination. The Right, if you want it simply, knows we
> are
> > at war and we are fighting it. The Right wants to defeat the
> terrorists
> > and their sponsors, far from our shores. They want to prevent acts
of
> > terrorism before they occur.
>
>
> Oh great priest of the Oracle of Bush! Thanks for explaining what our
> president meant in his above mentioned quote. The White House
> spokesman,
> however, admitted that Mr. Bush 'misspoke':
> White House spokesman Scott McClellan said Bush's misstatement
> "just
> shows even the most straightforward and plain-spoken people misspeak."
>
> It's interesting, you explaining what he meant, since not too long
ago,
> you
> were demanding that someone would provide the exact quote where Mr.
Bush
> or
> his administration had said that Iraq 'had' links to 9/11,etc.. I
> mean,
> back then almost 70% of the US public took his/their statements to
> "mean"
> that a link existed and the war was a response to the 9/11 attack, and
> you
> were saying he 'never' said that, and on this case you're saying 'THIS
> is
> what he meant'.
>
> While I'm sure some people would say, perhaps its a 'Freudian slip'
> revealing the real intentions of the Patriot/II bill, the majority of
> people will take it as just another "Bushism". Could you, however,
> indicate what your reaction would have been if that statement was said
> by
> Kerry?
>
> >
> > The Left, as represented by Wirt's attempt at castigating the
> president,
> > refuses to believe we are at war. The Left just wants to get along
> with
> > everybody, no matter what they do to us.
>
> I don't think any previous administration, and even Bush's until 9/11,
> took
> terrorism seriously. After all our castle has this huge mote around
it
> that should keep us safe. Our country was thought to be like a
'gated'
> community, we'd go out every day to 'fend' for short term gains,
without
> considering the 'long term' consequences, and then return to the
safety
> behind the 'gates'. At the same time our rhetoric convinced almost
> everyone
> inside the gates that we are moral, democratic, just, virtuous, and
that
> even our actions outside the gates were adhering to the same values.
> Well,
> guess what, that is simply not true and our myopic foreign policies
have
> come home to 'roost'...
>
> I don't think that we'll 'get along' with everybody, but I also don't
> think
> that we've developed this magic cookie cutter and we can 'form'
everyone
> else in our image. We have to LEAD by example and encourage, not
> coarse,
> others to adopt the better aspects of our culture.
>
> > Teresa Kerry admonishes the
> > country and tells us we need to get used to terrorist bombings, just
> > like they are used to it in Europe.
>
> That's a new one for me. I have not heard that. (Where is your famous
> URL)
>
> > The Left would treat every
> > terrorist attack as a law enforcement problem and would just try to
> > arrest the perpetrators AFTER THE FACT.
> >
> > This is the bottom line of this election. If you believe we need to
> > preempt the terrorists and prevent further attacks, you vote to
> reelect
> > President Bush.
> >
> > If you believe that we should try to get along with the terrorists
and
> > try to appease them and only punish them after the fact, as long as
we
> > have the blessings of France, Germany, Russia and China and the UN,
> then
> > you vote for John Kerry.
>
> Borrowing on someone else's analogy:
> One treats terrorism the same way you treat malaria. You don't
> eliminate
> malaria by killing all the mosquitoes, you try to eliminate their
> 'breeding' grounds, you don't 'preempt' malaria, your try to 'prevent'
> it.
> If you truly want to defeat terrorism then the emphasis MUST be
shifted
> in
> eliminating its root causes. Stop propping up and supporting
oppressive
> governments, eliminate despair, respect and recognize the achievements
> of
> other cultures, support global environmental/health/judicial
> initiatives,
> stop demanding preferential treatment, stop marginalizing huge swaths
of
> people. In short; give people back their dignity, for its that loss of
> dignity that fertilizes the 'breeding' grounds of terrorism.
>
> Also establish AND adhere to a consistent (not a consistently bad)
> foreign
> policy, nurture and maintain alliances because we cannot succeed alone
> (We
> NEED the help of our allies, NOT their blessing).
>
> >
> > It is as simple as that. All the rest is bunk and inconsequential
> > compared to this issue.
>
> It IS as simple as that.
>
> Regards
> Paul Christidis
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Denys
> >
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