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Actually though I find the language difficult the diagram is most compelling even with just my BSEE.  However it is a static snapshot of a process that occurs over time and the intermediate and ends states are missing.  I think it would be more so with a animation.

The following is merely an analogy and is not endorsing one stand or another nor do I want to debate anything, just offered as a possible way to view the phenomena.

Imagine the "tunnel" as a literally a pipe
One end in the local minimum and the other opening into in lower local minimum.
Now adding water into local minimum is like added GENETIC or behavioral diversity as well as population (this is the Widening of the Gaussian curve).
At some point a portion of the water will flow through the pipe to the other side.
Depending on where the pipe starts & how it curves different things might occur as more water (diversity and population) is added.   In fact if you design it like siphon pipe (as in your toilet) you may even effect a transfer where a majority of the water is sucked from one place to another without actually passing OVER the barrier AND that can happen relatively quickly (on geologic time).

No intelligence is needed to push anything, just an environment were diversity can accumulate and a "reachable" lower minimum.


-----Original Message-----
From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brice Yokem
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 10:30 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: Playing the game according to Hoyle

Oh well, what is most clear to me is you are determined to talk
sideways on this.  You even said you understood only 'bits' with
a degree in Electrical Engineering.  And whether he posted or linked
is really relevant, he posted a link...  So what?

On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:45:33 +0100, Heasman, David
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> This is a computing mailing list. He didn't post, but linked, to an
>IEEE paper.
> Surely there are lots of people here who can see, if not the totality,
>at least an idea from the
> paper of what he's getting at. Quite a lot of it appears to be defining
>algorithmic functions.
> Isn't that something we do for a living?
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Brice Yokem [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>Sent: 03 September 2008 17:14
>To: HP3000 List; Heasman, David
>Subject: Re: OT: Playing the game according to Hoyle
>
>
>So you have still not explained why you suggested it is a good thing to
>post something here which requires a specialist degree to understand.
>
>On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:00:19 +0100, Heasman, David
><[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>>No, looking quickly at Wirt's paper it would help to have a degree in
>>the maths side of electrical engineering. I did control theory as part
>>of my degree, long long ago, and I can see bits of what he's on about.
>>
>> It's a paper for the IEEE, not a kiddie's introduction.
>>
>>Sooner or later if you want to explore a subject, so long as the
>>subject isn't Intelligent Design or Post-Millennial Dispensationalism,
>>it gets complicated and you have to use specialist words and get into
>>some maths.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Brice Yokem [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>>Sent: 03 September 2008 16:47
>>To: HP3000 List; Heasman, David
>>Subject: Re: OT: Playing the game according to Hoyle
>>
>>
>>So...  You are saying it is useful to post something which one has to
>>go and get a degree in microbiology to understand, here on this list,
>>where almost no one has the appropriate background?
>>
>>On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:30:54 +0100, Heasman, David
>><[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>>You're saying that like it's a bad thing.
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>Wirt writes and Brice responds -
>>>>
>>>>This is a question that occurs in the first week of every class on
>>>>evolutionary optimization and I've written about it often. Here's one
>
>>>>of my papers
>>>from 14
>>>>years ago, written in an IEEE journal to an engineering audience,
>>>>where
>>>I
>>>>answer the question. It at least has the benefit of being brief and
>>>>to
>>>the
>>>point:
>>>>
>>>>   http://aics-research.com/research/notes.html#IID
>>>>
>>>
>>>This is simple too rife with academic language meaningful only to
>>>people with degrees in the subject.
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