Simon, This sounds a whole lot like the "bleeding edge of technology". -- Pete Crosby ([log in to unmask]) Hewlet-Packard Co. North American Response Center Atlanta, GA Simon Palmer <[log in to unmask]> wrote in message news:F4B1826B1A21D211AEC5006008207AF4011F2CD2@dogbert.csillc.com... > At the risk of infuriating all of you on the list.... > > The announcement made by CSY is interesting, but a little behind the times. > All CSY did was integrate a higher clock speed PA 8200 chipset that has been > available on the HP 9000 line for at least nine months. In my opinion they > should be more current on technology than this, while still providing the > reliability and stability that all HP 3000 users have come to expect. > > One other issue that seems to be neglected.... > > Application availability is still below par on the HP 3000. Until this > changes, and CSY speeds up the integration of new technologies, the HP 3000 > will not enter the mainstream. (Granted, some of these are marketing > issues, but this is what drives products today. Witness Windows vs. OS/2 > and Oracle vs. other databases.) > > Simon Palmer > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stigers, Greg [And] <[log in to unmask]> > To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> > Date: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 9:16 AM > Subject: HP to reinvigorate midrange servers > > > >X-no-Archive:yes > >Mr. Shankland, > > > >I would like to thank you for your article, and appreciate reading somewhat > >more favorable press on the 3000. I do not know how many subscribers to the > >HP 3000 listserv recognized your name from your 'HP takes new tack on > >e-commerce' article from just last week. > > > >I am sorry that the postings on the 3000 listserv were not somewhat more > >favorable, and so am posting this there as well. I do not think that the > >responses I have read is how we encourage awareness of our platform. > > > >There are some buzzwords as well as some hot points in your article. I > >appreciated reading about Apache in some detail, all accurate. It, with > >SAMBA, was 'grass roots', ported by others, but HP saw the sense in > >negotiating their adoption, while the other porters will continue their > work > >as well on the absolute latest versions available (HP is not known for huge > >public beta tests). And the secure web console is new news, still being > >discussed on the list. I also appreciated the indirect reference to JDBC as > >Java access to IMAGE/SQL. Frankly, although I am in interested in seeing it > >happen, I had forgotten about LDAP. > > > >I would have preferred the buzzword 'high availability' over robust, but I > >don't think that anyone will say that we are not robust. And resurrect > seems > >a little strong; revival or recommitment seem closer to it, since we were > >never dead. Sales of the 3000 are higher today, with more sold in the > >eighteen month period after HP started announcing their plans than in the > >previous five years. As for the decades-old lineage, well, that is our > >legacy, one that we are proud of, and although we know our OS to be as open > >as POSIX.2 it complies with, we agree that proprietary need not be a bad > >word (it hasn't hurt the AS/400). The first binary that was compiled on an > >HP 3000 twenty six years ago will still run on the newest, high-end HP 3000 > >available today, albeit it in compatibility mode, despite the profound > >growth of the hardware and software, because of HP's commitment to forward > >compatibility. > > > >Greg Stigers > >CGI Information Systems and Management Consultants, Inc. > >insert std disclaimers > > >