Joe and Scott both make good points. We've been on PP5 on a 959/400 production machine (525 concurrent sessions, 1GB memory, 105GB disc and several hundred TurboIMAGE databases) for ten days. We've seen the DBUTIL ERASE bug, but no other problems (we don't use DATEDIFF and our exposure to the Posix recursive directory purge problem is minimal). So, my head tells me there is nothing to be particularly concerned about. Still, my heart has been beating a little faster as I read the various speculations about the scope and nature of the DBUTIL ERASE problem. I can certainly empathize with those who are panicking since we are talking about the possible corruption of the life blood of our systems: our data. Bottom line: I look forward anxiously but patiently to hearing something official today so I can properly access the situation. John Burke e-mail: [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: Joe Geiser [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 3:28 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Bug in pp5 Scott McClellan said, > I am sitting here, at my computer, at 12:03 AM just trying to get some > work done. Unfortunatly, my e-mail program keeps alerting me > that I have > new mail every few minutes. Everytime I check I see that it > 3-5 new messages > from users on 3000-L panicing about the PP5 production hold and data > corruption bug. <Rest of excellent post snipped> One last thing to interject here in defense of HP. HP has *never* gone public about a bug until it knows what the hell is going on. If Scott says that the bug is a high priority in the lab, it is. Since HP does not go public with bug details prior to them knowing what is going on, it serves several purposes. First, fear and panic such as this (are normally) averted. Second, HP makes sure that the information it gives is accurate. Case in point: TurboIMAGE DDX problem. HP *knew* there was a problem, but it was not officially disclosed until *all* of the details were known. This could have been disclosed earlier, but (1) it was such a corner case that the possibility of it affecting the majority of the user base was low and (2) it would have caused unnecessary widespread panic. So, take a deep breath, relax, and let HP turn out the most reliable OS in the industry, OK? We all make mistakes, and when it comes to patches and bugs, HP does not even come close to holding the record. Lastly, I've been on PP5 now for about a week. Nothing horrible has happened, and we've been working the hell out of it. I'm not saying that those who have tapes, rush to load them, but if it were something that warranted a widespread recall, that the bug was so horrible, HP would have done something, like make an announcement on the subject. (After working with this company's products since 1979, one gets to know how they operate after awhile. Of course, they will surprise you every once in awhile). Best Regards, Joe ========================================================== Joe Geiser, Senior Partner, CSI Business Solutions, LLC ** Your Client-Server and Internetworking Specialists ** Phone: +1 (215) 945.8100 Fax: +1 (215) 943.8408 *New* Toll-Free (US/Canada): (877) 945-8100 http://www.csillc.com mailto:[log in to unmask] ========================================================== HP Channel Partner Allaire Alliance Partner Microsoft ClubWin - Team One