I gave Birket an opening for the pitch: [....SNIP....] ;-) > We thank all the customers who have taught us what they really > needed and would pay for - they are the designers for the product > functionality - if a function is worth something, organizations will > pay for it. I'm actually not quite sure right now if Birket took my post the wrong way or not; and I've *got* to get away from email and do some real work; but just for the record: I did NOT mean to imply that I was or am in any way upset with M.B. Foster for not including more "free functionality" in the HP - bundled ODBCLink/SE. Birket & Co. are in no way legally, ethically, or morally obligated to give away the products in which they have invested much time and effort. HP & M.B. Foster made the deal they made on what was going to be bundled and that is done. Additional deals in the private sector between two corporate entities are always possible; however: I will only add (again) what HP has repeatedly stated: They are NOT going to bundle ODBC direct to TurboIMAGE because that functionality is and has been available for some time now from multiple third-party vendors; i.e.: M.B. Foster and Minisoft. HP is going to concentrate on porting MPE and TurboIMAGE to IA-64.... NOW: back to real work.. Ken Sletten