With respect to "Alfredo's surprise", after Michael said: >> I think the little surprise is on page 10 of the July 27 >> Computerworld, and is an example of putting your money >> where your mouth is. >> > >> Congratulations Alfredo > Ditto.... Then Alfredo came back with: [....SNIP....] > As I say in the ad, the HP3000 is HP's best-kept secret. > Hopefully, through everybody's combined efforts, such secret > will become a well-known fact in the computer world, ...... Alfredo, HP is not keeping the secret quite so well anymore: :-)) Turn a few more pages after the Adager ad in that same issue of Computerworld; like a dozen, to be exact: On pages 22 and 23 you will find a full two-page ad for the HP 3000... BY HP !!!!.... attaboy..... er.... attaperson, CSY: It's a picture of a security blanket, with the following words: hp3000 = trustworthy (on top of page 22) trustworthy = hp (on top of page 23) Under the security blanket, spanning both pages: "Comfortable is a word not often associated with new technology. But what if that "new" technology had over twenty-five years of experience ? Introducing the rebirth of the HP 3000. The HP 3000 offers you a highly available, reliable and easy-to-integrate platform for your mission-critical applications." ... followed by the /3000servers URL. Ken Sletten