After I said: > > TurboIMAGE/XL Database Management System > > Reference Manual > > Sixth Edition -- August 1997 (E0897) > > HP Part Number = 30391-90001 > Ted Ashton said: > I have a First Edition from 1987. Is that close enough? You might want to hang on to that one; it might have value as a collector's item..... ;-) > Seriously, what's the best route for getting the new version? Well........ that question may be a little harder to answer; it's one of those "it depends" things. Example: As a US Navy site we normally order all our HP stuff through the HP Federal Business Center in Rockville, MD. Until a few months ago the availability of the August 1997 version of the manual had not made it into their database yet: When I first called them earlier this year, they kept trying to tell me that the April '94 version was still current. After they realized I wasn't going to believe them, I eventually got to where they would take the order for the August '97 edition. AND: If you have a current HP software support contract that includes IMAGE, you can *probably* get HP to send you *one* copy at no cost under your support agreement.... EXCEPT: If you have Image/SQL the HP support coverage database did not (at least earlier this year) recognize that TurboIMAGE was part of Image/SQL (.... sigh....). so they did not want to give me *just* the TurboIMAGE manual under our support agreement.... BUT: The Federal Business Center *was* willing to send me another complete copy of the core manual set (whatever that might include). I said, "sure, let's give that a try"; crossing my fingers to see if the core manual set part number knew that it should include the Turbo manual even if the HP FBC did not. Shortly thereafter I got one of my very own; along with extra copies of all the other current core manuals.... SUMMARY: Any part of the HP sales organization that will take your order for the Part Number 30391-90001, or will give you one (with or without other manuals) under a support contract, is probably as good a source as any. If they tell you April '94 is current, then: (1) Tell them they are wrong: You want August 1997. (2) Please let me know. After my experience I rattled what I hope were the appropriate cages, and the HP 3000 sales world should now (I hope) be generally aware that the sixth edition is out. ANOTHER OPTION, if you are in no hurry and are on HP support: The TurboIMAGE manual is part of the core HP 3000 manual set. Core manuals are sent out (or at least supposed to be) with all push releases. When MPE/iX 6.0 comes out you should get one then. If you are not on support, you'll have to fork over the $$.... Ken Sletten