Tony Peters <[log in to unmask]> wrote: ... >I agree that these are all possible methods, but first, we do not have either of >these two products, and second, when MPE became a full fledged programming >language complete with variables, we eliminated all command files that ran >another program or subsystem such as Editor to do this type of work. > >We are a 100% Speedware shop using Designer and have never seen any need for >editor programs other than QUAD or (gasp) Editor for occasional operations duty. ... While MPE programming is wonderful, and getting better all the time, there still are rare times when using other programs is the best way to go. For instance, do a :listgroup @.@ into a message file and then write a CI script to process the output. Let's say that the output contains over 50,000 lines. Simply reading and processing the file with the CI will mean 50,000 expensive FOPENs and 50,000 expensive FCLOSEs. Qedit, Quad, grep, even EDITOR could pare that file down to size quickly and efficiently. You know, EDITOR has gotten a bad rap over the years that isn't entirely deserved. While not as full featured as others there are still some extremely powerful features. And besides, it never hurts to know how to use the one utility that is on every HP 3000. You just never know when you will need it. (No flames. I am not suggesting that Editor is the end-all be-all. Just a better utility than most people give it credit for.) Doug. Doug Werth Beechglen Development Inc. [log in to unmask] Cincinnati, Ohio The opinions expressed do not necessarily represent the views or opinions of Beechglen Development. They might, but not necessarily. They represent solely the opinions of the author.