Isn't there one at the 3k ftp site? I recall it being in the /progs/games directory. I don't know the version, though. Pat Shugart Oaksoft Consulting, Inc. (248) 489-6565 >>> "SIMPKINS, Terry" <[log in to unmask]> 12/15/97 03:05pm >>> Someone was looking for the Empire game a couple of weeks ago. Did you find it? I found a tape from Ben Norton (of Boeing fame) of a "prerelease" version of 3.1. Does anyone have a later version?? Terry Simpkins