Sigh...I take an afternoon off, and my boss manages generate a major thread with his job posting!!! In defense of Glenn: First, he is NOT a recruiter, just the overworked MIS director here at PPI. Second, he is greatly restricted in what he can post in a job ad by our HR department "SR's" (that's Silly Rules). (Our HR manager reads Dilbert not for laughs, but for ideas). Glenn is happy to discuss privately his idea of competitive salary with anyone, along with local costs of living, etc (an accountant from our Los Angeles plant was shocked at how low housing costs are here). By the way...Ohio is not that bad. We had nice weather just the other day! Steve Miller Portion Pac, Inc [log in to unmask]