Hi Vince, regarding your question about "send mail from an HP3000" two or three things come to my mind immediately... a) There is some ported version of "sendmail" available on http://jazz.external.hp.com (free of charge) which I haven't tried yet but it might help you. b) There is a freeware version of Netmail/3000 available at http://www.3k.com -- which I am using at present to send you this message from "my" 3000/959-200 at work. (no need for mailx as it offers its own interface for terminal users and POP3 server for fancy clients like Eudora (freeware) or <plug alert> Netscape Mail) c) The freeware version of (b) is restricted to 2 users but the full product <plug alert> is available from 3k Associates at http://www.3k.com -- you should get their 45-day trial version and examine that, too! (For those of us using HPDESK or OpenDESK: DeskLink/3000 from 3k Associates (plug again) adds a nice SMTP Gateway without the need to buy/maintain a UX box for this...) Cheers, Lars/iX [log in to unmask] (but only speaking for myself here) By the way, does "mature product" always need to mean "dead product" ?? I sometimes feel it also means "less fiddling" due to less frequent new versions to update.