Jeff Kell <[log in to unmask]> wrote: ... >I think the best opportunity for all parties is to devise an MPE-mindset >package of the ":restore, stream install, and go" variety which plugs in the >missing links in the posix implementation and installs the Gnu environment >and other necessary pieces of the currently available (but widely unknown) >capabilities. The current status quo is disorganized and very confusing to >all concerned, but with 5.5 plus available freeware, you can have a free >and reasonably robust development environment (if you want it); or at the >least the necessary "environment" that the ports expect to find. Few of the >ports are "standalone" - they expect to find BSD libraries, Gnu utilities, >and/or ship with redundant static libraries. This must change. > >If we can "stabilize" a common development environment, the willing >developers can share a common ground and porting should be eased >considerably. With enough ports (and MPE-friendly packaging) we can >hopefully bring useful posix software to the hands of the most astute MPE >purist. ... Lars/iX (Lars Appel <[log in to unmask]>), are you listening? :-) Lars has done an outstanding job packaging a ":restore, stream install, and go" DDS for web-serving functionality on the HP3000. I received a DDS from Lars and I was very impressed with his approach. Joe Geiser has another DDS (from Lars) that he'll take to Anaheim. So, Jeff, there is a nice precedent (limited to web-only functionality, granted) that you might want to study and expand to include the wider Posix functionality. I can't speak for Lars, but I'm sure he'll be delighted to share his experiences and to cooperate with Jeff & Co. I'm glad to see this Posix interest moving forward. +---------------+ | | | r | Alfredo [log in to unmask] | e | http://www.adager.com | g | F. Alfredo Rego Tel 208 726-9100 | a | Manager, Theoretical Group Fax 208 726-2822 | d | Adager Corporation | A | Sun Valley, Idaho 83353-3000 U.S.A. | | +---------------+