Item Subject: JAVA Hi Joe, There are three Java Integrated Development Environments for the Mac right now. One I'm not too familiar with, but the others are Symantec's Cafe for Mac and Metrowerks Learn Programming with Java. I have used neither, though I'm familiar with Cafe on Windows. The Mac version of Cafe is a bit more primitive and does not yet have support for 68K Macs or the fancy debugger. these issues should be resolved by the end of this month. Metrowerks is the premier compiler maker for the Macintosh these days. Virtually all Mac applications are now developed with their tools, so I would think their package would be a very good one. Both packages sell for $99 right now. Cafe is available for purchase and download electronically so there is an instant gratification advantage there :-) Cafe for Windows at lease includes fairly good online documentation, certainly enough to figure everything out if that's what you have to do. The files are installed on the hard disk from CDROM, so a CDROM is not required after installation. This information, plus access to the comp.lang.java newsgroup should be all anyone would need. Whether this same information is included in the Mac version of Cafe I don't know for sure. Also, I don't know whether the Metrowerks product includes printed or electronic documentation (Cafe includes virtually *no* paper documentation, so you wouldn't be missing anything here. I believe that the Metrowerks product currently does support 68K Macs (in addition to PowerPC based systems). Both packages recommend 16Mb of memory. You can get information at the companies web sites: http://cafe.symantec.com/ and http://www.metrowerks.com/ Hope this helps, Gavin