HP does market a developers HW/SW bundle for HPUX called the "HP Developer's Station" that caters to the 'C' crowd (which is appropriate for that OS). This somewhat gets back to the previous threads on HP providing a small MPE developers system/ bundle! BTW: I have since purchased a demo 928LX for a fantastic price, but I still have the same software issues. If I purchase a couple of compilers from HP for it, I've paid as much for them as I did the 928 itself! Regards, Michael L Gueterman Easy Does It Technologies email: [log in to unmask] http://Editcorp.nwinfo.net voice: (509) 946-6179 fax: (509) 946-1170