I've been reading over the thread on the Fantasia vs. Formation. I have the following comment: Examine your usage very closely. I haven't priced the C30 or C40 printer lately, When the C30 printer came out it had a price tag of about $25,000 (loaded with duplexer, input stacker, and output stacker). We were looking to replace an LJ2000 at the time. Our cost per page would allow us to replace the LJ2000 because of the overall cost of ownership (purchase price + maintenance + consumables) Printer Annual Volume Tot. Costs Cost / Page LJ2000 504,837 $8,678.10 0.017 LaserJet 4 Si 504,837 $6,580.11 0.013 HP5000C30 504,837 $9,110.19 0.018 Volume is important for both the maintenance and cost. Our volume just isn't high enough to justify the larger printer. I got a graph from HP when the C30 came out that should a cost cross over at about 75,000 pages per month. Under 75,000 you should get the LJ4Si. Over 75,000 get the C30. As far as the actual Pro / Con for Fantasia vs. Formation. We looked at them a few of years ago and chose Formation because (at the time) we were concentrating more on forms than typesetting. My opinion was that Formation was better at form management and development (2 or 3 years ago). Now, I'm not sure. Fantasia would be nice for the typesetting features since we knocked out the forms and now the users want documents to be fancy. That's my $.02 worth Rick Feldmann Computer Systems Manager American Type Culture Collection 12301 Parklawn Drive Rockville, MD 20852 Phone : (301) 231-5621 Internet : [log in to unmask]