It is interesting how many people evangelize moving to a non-proprietary system when (many times) these same users (not all!) buy a non-proprietary chunk of hardware to run a non-proprietary operating system to run their proprietary application they purchased that uses a proprietary database management system. I would think that if one REALLY does not want to get tied to a specific vendor, they must use public domain application on a public domain DBMS on a public domain OPSYS on a public domain box. mmmmmmmmmmm... I wonder what I can find at the local flea market. Elbert