Ok.... No suggestion has worked so far except I have not tried the store/purge yet. It's an old KSAM key file from 1999. in a group in our test account. Below is the LF-3 on it.... I find it interesting that manager.sys is the creator of it. I did try to sign on as manager.sys and purge it, but no luck there either. :LF BINLD01K.Ddddd,-3 ******************** FILE: BINLD01K.Ddddd.XNTL FILE CODE : 0 FOPTIONS: ASCII,FIXED,NOCCTL,STD BLK FACTOR: 1 CREATOR : MANAGER.SYS REC SIZE: 256(BYTES) LOCKWORD: BLK SIZE: 256(BYTES) SECURITY--READ : ANY EXT SIZE: 0(SECT) WRITE : ANY NUM REC: 14336 APPEND : ANY NUM SEC: 480 LOCK : ANY NUM EXT: 2 EXECUTE : ANY MAX REC: 14336 **SECURITY IS ON FLAGS : NO ACCESSORS NUM LABELS: 0 CREATED : MON, MAR 29, 1999, 10:18 PM MAX LABELS: 0 MODIFIED: THU, APR 22, 1999, 4:31 PM DISC DEV #: 50 ACCESSED: THU, APR 22, 1999, 4:31 PM SEC OFFSET: 0 LABEL ADDR: $00000089.$000F6F20 VOLCLASS : USER_VOLUME_SET:DISC Mr. Kim Borgman NWS Inc. Indianapolis, IN * To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, * * etc., please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html *