Is the use of Eloquence an HP3000-L list bias? First, let me say that I am NOT against the use of Eloquence. We first used Eloquence in 1997 and I was personnaly involved in persuading HP Germany into extending it so that it would be a suitable substitute for TurboIMAGE. The product and support was excellent then and has improved. Nevertheless, when we actually seriously get around to doing real work for a customer, the ones that engage us only seem to want RDBMS's. We always ask the question "which database are you targeting?". The answer to date has been either a specific RDBMS or a list of potential RDBMS's. Just to be sure was ask " Are you considering Eloquence?". There are a lot of different ways people say no (usually its "we want a standard product", but to date, they have all said no. That said, any reader of this list might get the impression that the question about migration can only be answered with "use Eloquence". Why the disconnect or am I reading too much into these few responses? Is it a demographic thing? Is this list more representative of the customer base or less representative? Moreover, database migration is only a only a part of a total migration effort in our experience. These days, database tends to be a relative non-event compared to the application testing, VPlus, JCL, command file, and third-party tools migration effort. Other things to consider are common third-generation language (COBOL, FORTRAN, etc.) common 4GL (Powerhouse, Speedware) and those pesky little languages like BRW, INFORM, etc. Therefore, even if Eloquence provides the "best" database solution according to someone's definition of what "best" is. What does one do about all of those other "application artifacts"? Or is the original person who asked the question interested in those things? Charles Finley 619-795-0720 -----Original Message----- From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Peter Osborne Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 10:03 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Migration recommendations; PRELIMINARY INQUIRY We have (fairly) succesfully moved around 800 000 lines of Cobol to Eloquence on (Debian) Linux. This combo isn't usually considered for larger operations as they like to be backed by large vendors. Pete * To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, * * etc., please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html * __________ NOD32 1.1422 (20060301) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com * To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, * * etc., please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html *