Has anyone ever had the feeling that when someone is trying so hard to be convincing about something that they are really trying to convince themselves that something is true? (possibly in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary!) Next, I expect Brice will produce URLs to "prove" that the Earth is , in fact, square. Cheers, John --------------------- Oddly enough, John, I know exactly what you are talking about. Which is why I am mystified as to your statement. This 'global warming' fiasco is perpetrated by the very people you are talking about here. They want to convince themselves burning fossil fuels is going to turn the earth into some kind of inferno and offer up flimsy 'science' to do it. It works because most people are science illiterate, including politicians. The other end of the spectrum is the energy companies who would not want to stop fossil fuel burning even if the Global Warming propaganda were true. Where is the objectivity? As far as the 'square earth' comment... Clearly an attempt to touch off a flame war which reflects more on you than me. Maybe the suns 'reflection' off one of the sides of the 'square earth'? * To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, * * etc., please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html *