Permissions are a funny thing. MPE uses access flags, posix uses permission flags. You need to have write access to the group on the posix side. If you are a super user (sm or root) you can write any where. If you are not root you must be granted permission. The chmod command changes the current permissions to some else. Groups and accounts are considered directories on the posix side. Permissions are ownership and protection - rwx r-x --- | | ^^public | ^^group ^^owner They come in 3s, Owener, group, public, plus read, write, execute. A missing permission is indecated by a "-" and is called a protection. The nine permissions or protections are collectively known as the "mode" or a file or directory and can be changed with chmod. A "read-only mode" file would have r--r--r-- this mode can be read by owner, group and public. Since it does not have w or write/modify or execute (x), no one not even the owner can modify this file. Chmod can modify the permissions. The binary notation for rw-r--r-- is 110100100 or 644 octal. owner: r=400 group: r=40 public: r=4 w=200 w=20 w=2 x=100 x=10 x=1 how do you get 644, 400+200+40+4 = 644 or rw-r--r--. if your group permissions = drw-rw-r-- then you can rename/write a file into the group. If the permissions are dr--r--r-- you can not. So chmod 664 groupname would provide you the permissions you need to rename in to the group. To look at the permissions for the groups within your account do: ll /ACCOUNT/ sample output: shell/iX> ll /MCRAE/ total 108 drwxrwxr-x 1 MGR.MCRAE MCRAE 800 Feb 4 13:45 AIF drwxrwxr-x 1 MGR.MCRAE MCRAE 40 Dec 3 2002 ALLBASE drwxrwxr-x 1 MGR.MCRAE MCRAE 640 Apr 9 2003 BASIC Let me know if this helps explain the permissions denied error. Best Regards Cathlene Mc Rae SR Response Center Engineer. * To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, * * etc., please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html *