It would not be swallowing your pride; it would be holding your nose and clutching your mouth at the same time, trying to calm the repeated dry heaves wracking your body. Can you arrange for pictures to be taken? Denys ----------------------- A vote for Nader would be a protest vote, to send a message to the other two parties, but it would probably be the wrong message. Maybe I will write-in Pat Buchanan or Ross Perot or maybe Jesse Ventura. Or maybe I will stay hme, have a beer and watch NCIS. * To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, * * etc., please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html *