donna (et. al.), <snip> > 3) i think a general discussion about patches would be useful as well. > i think everyone is aware that patches are having a hard time making > their way to gr status. i know it's got a lot of people frustrated, > but i'm not sure there's a good understanding about why. again, if you > have a comment, please post it back to the list for summarization at > the meeting. Although I really don't know, I'm guessing one reason may be the lack of qualified beta testers. If that is the case, then that becomes a double edged sword. On one hand no one wants HP to GR a patch that hasn't been sufficiently tested, but on the other if fewer and fewer shops have the ability to participate in the beta program, fewer and fewer GR patches will make it out the door. A middle ground may be found by including the beta as an unsupported patch made available on JAZZ and include the results of those people opting that route in the decision to GR a patch. That's just one thought, but the wider issue is simply to get more people into the beta in the first place. Regards, Michael L Gueterman -- * To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, * * etc., please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html *