The premise of your comment is that Mankind is fundamentally aggressive towards itself. If this were true, why is it that numerous studies of the behaviour of soldiers in combat demonstrates or, at least, points to Mankind being fundamentally averse to killing their own? The only human types that fulfil your premise are psychopaths. The unanimous consent you speak of is already built into our genes. ------------------------ Richard - There are other things built into our genes also, and it does not take a psycopath for this to manifest itself. Soldiers have years of rigorous training in order to become soldiers, this is to override these 'other' impulses. Chuck - I think you are making a mistake by including Islam in your 'any act is acceptable' statement. Islam doesn't say that. People who want power over others use religion (and Islam is only one of many) and twist it to their own purposes. Socialism, however, is an outgrowth of Marxist thought, and has an element of 'the end justifys the means' in it. So there is a plausible basis for including Socialism in your statement. * To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, * * etc., please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html *