Historically, unions came into existence because so many managers/owners of large companies treated workers like dirt. I don't blame the workers. They unionized in self defense. -------------------- Something I agree with you on, Fred. And when the rumors of 'union' started these companies leaned on the people talking 'union' so these people learned to talk quietly, and eventually it took on a 'conspiritorial' tone and developed a momentum which could nto be stopped. * To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, * * etc., please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html *