Agree totally gentlemen! Islam, unfortunately, is in a state of complete dysfunction and is on the road of total self-destruction. It is as if all the Protestant Churches in the United States were taken over by the Ku Klux Klan, or if the Vatican were taken over by the Nazi Party. There was a time in which Islam had many voices, many views. It welcomed and encouraged change, modernization, science, exploration and overall, peace. But now there is only one harsh scorching wind of hate and death. We of other faiths and nationalities can not affect change in the Islamic world, for there is nothing we can do. I fear that only after a great loss to the world, and the complete annihilation of the present Islamic theocratic class, will we see the end of this. Peace in this case, has a high price for us all. mc -----Original Message----- From: John Pitman [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 7:09 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: I Heard it on the grapevine... When you find that the Islamic year (or 'Hejira' - ie After the Flight of Mohammed (PBUH) from Medina to Mecca in AD622) is 1423 AH, you know where some of them stand in chronological terms. There was once a joke in Saudi in the mid 90s that they would allow women to drive in 1999 ----- Hejira, not AD!! jp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Ali" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 8:00 PM Subject: [HP3000-L] OT: I Heard it on the grapevine... Sounds like Islam is in need of a Reformation. Perhaps after such a "navel examination" a more rational and empirical worldview will be ushered in, at which point this and all the other religions/faiths can be consigned to their place in the history books. At least there'll be one less label used for differentiating peoples from one another. 0.02 euros >Mark writes: > A German scholar contends that the Islamic text has been mistranscribed and > promises raisins, not virgins > > http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/940974.asp?cp1=1 >Wirt writes: >This analysis was mentioned on the list more than a year ago: http://raven.utc.edu/cgi-bin/WA.EXE?A2=ind0205E&L=hp3000-l&P=R2123 Richard Ali Smith & Williamson Corporate Services Limited The contents of this email are confidential to the intended recipient and may not be disclosed. Although it is believed that this email and any attachments are virus free, it is the responsibility of the recipient to confirm this. Smith & Williamson Corporate Finance Limited - A member of M&A International Inc. http://www.mergers.net Registered in England No. 4533970. Authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority Smith & Williamson Investment Management Limited, Registered No. 976145. Authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority. Smith & Williamson Pension Consultancy Limited - Independent Intermediary. Registered No. 3133226. Authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority. Smith & Williamson Unit Trust Managers Limited, Registered No. 1934644. Authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority. Smith & Williamson Limited - A member of Nexia International. Registered in England No. 4534022. Regulated by the Institute of Chartered Accountants in England & Wales for a range of investment business activities. Registered Office: No 1 Riding House Street, London W1A 3AS Telephone: 020 7637 5377 http://www.smith.williamson.co.uk Nexia Audit Limited - A member of Nexia International. Registered in England No. 4469576. Registered to carry on audit work and regulated by the Institute of Chartered Accountants in England & Wales for a range of investment business activities. Registered Office: No 1 Riding House Street, London W1A 3AS Telephone: 020 7637 5377 http://www.nexiaaudit.co.uk ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information on a proactive email security service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com ________________________________________________________________________ * To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, * * etc., please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html * * To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, * * etc., please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html * * To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, * * etc., please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html *