As usual Wirt, you left out some important details which makes your position soemwhat weaker. Like this one from http://www.msnbc.com/news/886068.asp This is a rush transcript provided for the information and convenience of the press. Accuracy is not guaranteed. * To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, * * etc., please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html *