MPE is dying because the 'ecosystem' is dying. Of course, in nature, if an ecosystem is dying, some of the components of that ecosystem move on to survive/thrive in other ecosystems. So, HP, how's 'bout you let IBM, SUN, UNISYS (add everybody) have MPE? I firmly believe that the other vendors would just love to rejuvenate the dying MPE (read as 'have a great installed base' (err, 'ecosystem')) . HA! Ray Shahan "Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans", John Lennon * To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, * * etc., please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html *