Hi Chris, Here, in part, is our answer to assertions made by George. http://www.sys-con.com/java/articleprint.cfm?id=1182 David Lutris Technologies Chris Thompson wrote: > Jon and others interested in digging deeper into Lutris' motives, or > indeed having an interest in open source, web application servers, or > instantDB, would do well to follow the slashdot link at > http://slashdot.org/articles/01/10/14/0018242.shtml > entitled "How Lutris betrayed the Open Source Community" which leads to > http://instantdb.tripod.com/ > This contains an interesting and extensive article narrated by George C. > Hawkins [log in to unmask] who is also trying very hard to > reconstruct the instantDB web site as it was before Lutris removed it. > > I invite readers to make up their own minds on Lutris, its policies, and > its motives after visiting this site. > > Chris Thompson > Technical Director > The Internet Agency > European Distributors of ADBC Web/iX and TRAX > www.the-internet-agency.com > > In article <[log in to unmask]>, Jon Diercks > <[log in to unmask]> writes > >Adam Dorritie <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >>For those folks who, like me, may have missed the mid-September > >>announcement, Lutris claims that the J2EE license from Sun prevents them > >>from incorporating J2EE in an open-source solution. The Enterprise > >>version is only offered as a purchasable product and they have no plans to > >>offer a new version of the open-source Enhydra software either. > > > >It is worth noting that the open-source version of Enhydra *is* still > >available, and Lutris is hoping the open-source community will pick up the > >ball (which, admittedly, Lutris appears to have dropped). From the Lutris > >letter: > > > >"... the Enhydra application server is an open source project. > >That means that you - the developers who use it - have the > >ability to effect new releases by writing code and submitting it. > > > >To that end, we would like to solicit help from the community. > >We need a number of people: committers, chair, and individuals > >managing the task list and release of an Alpha, Beta, and final > >cut of the next release of Enhydra. Everyone who voted to have > >a new Enhydra release should take it upon themselves to start > >the process by reading > >http://enhydra.enhydra.org/aboutEnhydra/gettingInvolved/ecp/index.html > >and then taking action to drive the next release of the Enhydra > >code by submitting suggested tasks, volunteering for development > >of those tasks, etc." > > > >Lutris may have cut off their nose, but I don't believe it was done > >explicitly to spite their face. I'm not trying to defend them, just > >pointing out that things could be worse. > > > >> See their release at http://enterprise.enhydra.org/index.html. If you > >> like, you can read the latest story about Lutris at Slashdot > >> (http://slashdot.org/articles/01/10/14/0018242.shtml). There's also a > >> good link in the Slashdot article to a story about InstantDB and how > >> Lutris appears to have sucked in developers with the promise of > >> open-sourcing the database and then sent them packing > >> (http://instantdb.tripod.com/). Personally, I find a lot of validity in > >> the argument that Lutris isn't worth dealing with. > > > >Lutris has clearly made some tough decisions, some of which they may end up > >regretting. I'm not sure yet exactly how this will impact my Enhydra > >project. I don't intend to throw away the effort I've invested up to this > >point, and I'm reasonably confident in the ability of the current Enhydra > >3.1 product to support the deployment of my application. I guess in a way > >this a good test of the open source model - one of the benefits of open > >source is vendor independence - you don't have to worry if the vendor drops > >the product or vanishes off the face of the earth, because you have the > >source and you can do what you want with it. > > > >> I think that it's time for CSY to certify Bluestone on the 3000. > > > >That would be nice, but I don't know if it really addresses your concerns > >about Lutris and open source. Is Bluestone open source? Does its license > >ensure that it will remain so? I did a little poking around at > >www.bluestone.com and didn't find anything conclusive. Many of the > >bluestone components appear to be freely downloadable (free as in beer) but > >I don't see any obvious links to CVS or other source-management info (free > >as in speech). > > > >If you want to be an open-source purist, I've heard good things about JBoss > ><http://www.jboss.org/> or Zope <http://www.zope.org/>. Maybe you should > >take one of these for a spin on MPE, and let us know how they perform. > > > >* To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, * > >* etc., please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html * > > -- David H. Young Chief Evangelist Lutris Technologies, Inc. 1200 Pacific Avenue, Suite 300 Santa Cruz, CA 95060 USA 831.460.7310; 831.471.9754 (fax) http://www.lutris.com http://www.enhydra.org * To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, * * etc., please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html *