hi again well of all things.... the account had a file limit of zero. a quick 'altacct....;files=' fixed it. and how did the file limit get set to zero? oh, that's the puzzlement du minute.... - d -- Donna Garverick Sr. System Programmer 925-210-6631 [log in to unmask] >>>MY opinions, not Longs Drug Stores'<<< * To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, * * etc., please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html *