On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:43:25 -0100, Kuty <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >At 11:36 20/03/01 -0500, Feesh wrote: > >>IF divers are stressed to take RESPONSIBILITY for THEMSELVES, >>by their trainers, by the dive industry and all related >>segments of societies, then we WOULDN'T have fine Instructors >>like Strike (and some other fine instructors and DMs I >>personally know) dropping out of scuba teaching and dive- >>guide professional role, because people TEND to blame THEM >>for mishaps that are mostly (or wholly) the fault of the >>IRRESPONSIBLE DIVER. > >I disagree with this statement. I think we may have some miscommunication due to "semantics" perhaps? I said, "people TEND to blame THEM (instructors) for ... the fault of the IRRESPONSIBLE DIVER." And you had replied: >I think you placed much of the blame Joe should bear himself >on the instructor who just happened to be the dive guide. Kuty> First of all, I think that Joe bears most of the blame. Which was MY point. Kuty> I argued that fiercely, on the Israeli diving forum, because Kuty> here people tend to put all the blame on the instructors. which was ALSO my point. That seemed "agreement" to me. But now you say "I disagree". I don't quite follow the disagreement part. > Most people >tend to "blame" other people, the environment, luck, God and many >different factors for their mishaps. Only few tend to understand >that they are responsible for themselves. The scuba crowd is just a >reflection of the human kind in this sense. That agrees with what I said ALSO, for a scuba diver who is ALIVE. :-) Joe is DEAD. He couldn't very well blame himself (anymore). But when it comes to blame-assessment, there is no longer any psychological deep-theory that says we should blame the INSTRUCTORS and cause THEM grief. We couldn't bring Joe back. But we can place the blame where it belong to hope for a better and sensible FUTURE for the LIVE ones. That's why I noted: >I think you placed much of the blame Joe should bear himself >on the instructor who just happened to be the dive guide. Kuty> First of all, I think that Joe bears most of the blame. Which was MY point. Kuty> I argued that fiercely, on the Israeli diving forum, because Kuty> here people tend to put all the blame on the instructors. which was ALSO my point. > >All we can do is observe, vote for the best candidates for the Darwyn >awards, and sometimes feel sorry, if we have an emotional weakness :-) >People will always try to blame anybody but themselves, in the scuba >industry, as well as in all the other aspects of life. But I have not known of a case where a DEAD person blames anyone, himself or otherwise. :-) Only the LIVE ones are deadly in those weaknesses. ;) -- Bob.