Winston Kriger is 440 percent behind Stan: > I agree 440% with all Stan's points. There might be a niche > for a "crippled" A-class as a low-end box for would-be > individual developers, schools, etc., but it should have a > 2-user license and sell for about $5000 with Image or > $3000 with MPE/iX only. I agree with Winston.... except for respectfully but strongly disagreeing with one thing: There should NEVER be an A-Class or N-Class HP e3000 of any size sold or delivered without Image/SQL.. and for that matter without the "missing" ninth out of nine modules for Allbase/SQL. Only difference between the Allbase you get with Image/SQL and the Allbase you pay $$ for is that ninth module; which allows more than 12 MB of *user* data to go into an Allbase DBE. I expect sites with many IMAGESQL users / views may start hitting that 12 MB limit.... Since HP would like to roll their entire HP e3000 installed base to an A-Class or N-Class box ASAP, and those boxes no longer have MPE or Image/SQL license limits (applause), I propose that bundling the ninth Allbase module with Image/SQL on *just* the A-and-N-Class boxes would be an added incentive for sites to upgrade..... :-) Ken Sletten Per SIG3000 meeting, SIGIMAGE Chair for one more year...