X-no-Archive:yes I'm sorry that I did not see this the first time. There are of course the Smith Garner app, Credit Union software, Virgin Airlines, and Amisys. We provide consulting and integration services for a well-conceived personal lines (auto and homeowner, AKA fire / dwelling depending on who you talk to) app that basically does all of the insurance functions (quote, policy, rating, billing and receiving, claims, and some other bits that would only be meaningful if you are in the insurance industry), and integrates nicely with existing applications (for instance, we have various customers that use our Ratabase rating engine, our Universal Billing System, or their own claims system, called from this package). The vendor is www.decisionresearch.com. It has both c / s and Internet-enabled varieties, and is on a variety of platforms, including the 3000 (although they do not make this too obvious). I recall Wirt mentioning that AICS Research was looking at hosting an app, was that an accounting package? H/R / Payroll? I think that this is where the 3000 can shine, as a service. Sell what it hosts and what it does, the high availability, with a low overhead, and then use that success to sell the e3000. As for your second question, why the 3000 instead of the AS/400, one that this list has asked in reverse. Until UDB, the AS/400's DBMS did not at all compare favorably to Image. We have SAMBA and Apache; they do not. We have that forward / backward compatibility thing going for us. While the work continues, we were there first with Java (isn't Sun questioning IBM's Java?). Donna, I've heard tell that Peoplesoft, among other client server apps, can fall off a cliff after a certain number of users attach, and that number is only three figures. Perhaps someone out there remembers some hard numbers? Can you imagine what a nightmare it must be, to have a system just bog down, and be expected to somehow make it better? Gee, perhaps someone from HP Marketing would like to jump on this question? Greg Stigers http://www.cgiusa.com