Mark Bixby wrote: ...> > It's my opinion that MPE represents the best of both worlds -- > refrigerator-like reliability coupled with the best of today's technology. > Yes, yes, and many more Yeses. Having just spent the whole weekend, along with Jeff Kell and some remote help from HP and lots of trips to the ITC, we finally finished our hpux 11 migration from H***. I'll leave it to Jeff to fill in the gory details, if anyone is interested and he is willing, but it is summed up well by this great quote from an HP staffer (name withheld to protect the innocent): "As you can see, HPUX is not an easy upgrade/install process (or at least not a kind as MPE)." (unsolicited, I might add) After 1 by four *experienced* staff (2 HP and 2 UTC for 1 day), three staff another day (1 HP and 2 UTC) and the 2 UTC staff two more days (plus remote help from one of the HPers, and help from the RC and from the ITRC), just to update a typical, single application hpux K box from 10.20 with Oracle 7.3.4 to hpux 11 and Oracle 7.3.4, your darn right about that "not an easy ... process" stuff! AND, the darn licensing folks at HP have the gall to make us fill out another form when they could have just sent up the license itself. AND, the RC had an SR filed back in Jan. 2000 that, if acted upon, would have saved up many hours and attack of worry yesterday and today (we were *very* lucky we didn't get an unbootable kernel). (I guess we were right not to include moving to Oracle 8 at the same time.:-)) Richard > - Mark B. -- Richard L Gambrell Senior Information Technology Consultant University of Tennessee at Chattanooga 103 Hunter Hall, Dept. 4454 615 McCallie Ave., Chattanooga, TN 37403-2598 voice mail/cell phone: 423-432-5122 private e-mail: [log in to unmask] UTC fax: 423-755-4150 UTC phone: 423-755-4551 UTC email: [log in to unmask]