Hard to manage? Now that's funny. Full of obsolete technologies? Hmm..I didn't realize that Apache, POSIX, SAMBA, etc were obsolete. Best get working on my resume. ------------------------------------------------------------- Gary L. Paveza, Jr. Technical Services Manager (302) 761-3173 - voice (800) 217-5808 - pager -----Original Message----- From: dsilva [SMTP:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 2:28 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [HP3000-L] If there are HP people in this forum they would be laughing big time.... << "PSST ... Carly we want to let the world in on your secret ... with the HP e3000 your organization manages the manufacturing of over $20Billion of products>> The systems you are talking about are a "web" of inconsistencies, hard to trace, hard to research, hard to manage, poorly documented, of very cumbersome design, full of holes, obsolete technologies and on and on, product of years of a mix of changing technologies and constant upward/task change and "promotions" of the very hp employees that designed these systems. That is why HP is doing a lot of migrating. That is why HP is about invent and change. Because they have no choice, otherwise the giant will drop like a rock from within. Whatever you think the big giant is, chances are that you are wrong unless you have been there. I dag the giant deeper than a lot of people I know, through out and worldwide. What I found would make a grade school programmer apprentice look like a pro. Concerning uptime hardware and operating system wise they have a stable platform, so do others. I am not trying to create conflict here but it amazes me to read about this and the "collection" effort in progress. Anybody with some "cloud" can get a first hand impression from the horse's mouth if they try hard enough.