After removing SM from account,user capability I found I got USER LACKS CREATE DIRECTORY ENTRIES (CD) ACCESS TO PARENT DIRECTORY when attempting to copy file.group.account to file.group.account2 I've checked out the access rights via LISTUSER etc for 'to account2,group' and all set to ANY. I've not really had to worry about this before but as ever I do now. I've looked into ACD's and I think I understand the ability to give CD capability via REPPAIR to a HFS directory as I got a copy to work. But as the help notes say I cannot change a root directory. Its been a long day - is it simply just because without SM I cannot copy accoss accounts or is there another obvious reason and I cannot see it.