Dear Mr. Bird:  Thank you for your comments, but you need to recognize,
whether things change or stay the same, we are the people who shape
ourselves and others as well as our environment the way they are now or
the way they will change in the future---we are talking about social
environment and not physical or natual environment!

On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Steven Bird wrote:

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> Notwithstanding P.K. Geevarghese's possibly valid observation (in some
> people's opinion), I do believe that the real message here is that the more
> things change, the more they stay the same.  ;-)
>
> Steve Bird
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> At 12:38 PM 12/7/99 -0500, P.K. Geevarghese wrote:
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> >Socrates did not know what we know now.  You and I and their parents made
> >them the way they are today.  Don't blame the young alone but 99% of the
> >blame goes to others like us and their parents.  Let's treat them better
> >and they will become better!  Dr. Geevarghese.
> >
> >On Mon, 6 Dec 1999, Oralia Preble-Niemi wrote:
> >
> >>      "Youth today love luxury.  They have bad manners, contempt for
> >> authority, no respect for older people, and talk nonsense when they should
> >> be working.  Young people do not stand up any longer when adults enter the
> >> room.  They contradict their parents, talk too much in company, guzzle
> >> their food, lay their legs on the table and tyrannize their elders."
> >>
> >> who wrote this????  Scroll down for the answer. . . .
> >>  ..............
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> >> Socrates, indicting the youth of athens, greece, circa 500 B.C.
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> >> **************************************
> >> Oralia Preble-Niemi,Ph.D.
> >> Professor and Head
> >> Foreign Languages & Literatures
> >> University of Tennessee at Chattanooga
> >> Chattanooga, TN  37403
> >> ***************************************
> >>
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> Dr. Steven Bird
> Director of Orchestras
> University of Tennessee at Chattanooga
>