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David Frenkel <[log in to unmask]>
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David Frenkel <[log in to unmask]>
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Wed, 21 Jul 1999 13:32:55 -0700
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www.baan.com <http://www.baan.com>   .  I usually guess at web site names
and 70% it is correct , but occasionally it brings
me somewhere I really don't want to be.  Baan is a Dutch company that is
having some financial problems.
Dave Frenkel
Edifecs Commerce

                -----Original Message-----
                From:   Joseph Norris [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
                Sent:   Wednesday, July 21, 1999 2:27 PM
                To:     David Frenkel
                Cc:     [log in to unmask]
                Subject:        Re: FW: Off Topic: F-22 References

                I have heard a lot about BAAN, but I know nothing about it.
Can anyone
                direct me to a site?

                Thanks.

                #Joseph Norris (Perl - what else is
there?/HP3000/Linux/CGI/Msql)
                print @c=map chr
$_+100,(6,17,15,16,-68,-3,10,11,16,4,1,14,-68,12,1,14,8,

-68,4,-3,-1,7,1,14,-68,-26,11,15,1,12,4,-68,-22,11,14,14,5,15,-90);


                On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, David Frenkel wrote:

                Boeing is like most large companies that have numerous (and
growing)
                divisions.  The commercial airlines
                group is implementing BAAN on a Unix (I believe) platform.

                                -----Original Message-----
                                From:   Joseph Norris
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                                Sent:   Wednesday, July 21, 1999 12:44 PM
                                To:     [log in to unmask]
                                Subject:        Re: FW: Off Topic: F-22
References

                                Hello,

                                What box is Boeing moving to?

                                Thanks.

                                #Joseph Norris (Perl - what else is
                there?/HP3000/Linux/CGI/Msql)
                                print @c=map chr
                $_+100,(6,17,15,16,-68,-3,10,11,16,4,1,14,-68,12,1,14,8,


-68,4,-3,-1,7,1,14,-68,-26,11,15,1,12,4,-68,-22,11,14,14,5,15,-90);


                                On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, David Frenkel wrote:

                                Boeing is or has migrated off most of its
HP3000's, at one
                point
                                Martin-Marietta was a big HP3000 user
                                in Denver.  The original Hughes Aviation
(Satellites, etc)
                and TRW
                                (satellites) were big HP3000 users.
                                Dave Frenkel
                                Edifecs Commerce
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                                -----Original Message-----
                                From:   Robert Joseph
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                                Sent:   Wednesday, July 21, 1999 12:52 PM
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                                Subject:        Off Topic: F-22 References

                                Hmm, noticed two references to the F-22
Raptor yesterday.
                The first equated
                                the aircraft with the state-of-the-art in
military aviation.
                The second
                                pointed out its delays and cost overruns and
was most likely
                based on the
                                frequent question as to its necessity in a
post Cold War
                world.
                                Like most major military hardware programs
around the world,
                the reality is
                                probably both characterizations are correct.
A glass whose
                content is equal
                                to half its volume is half full AND half
empty.
                                As the F-22 program has progressed, more
technical details
                have started to
                                show up in the mainstream media.  As a
non-engineer, just a
                taxpayer
                                interested in military preparedness, I must
say I am
                impressed with the
                                plane's capabilities and convinced of its
necessity.  Most
                of the fighters
                                in the USAF inventory are already over 20
years old and a
                top notch
                                replacement will be necessary in the next
millenium.
                                Furthermore, the flight restrictions during
the recent
                Kosovo campaign
                                clearly illustrate the need for more capable
military
                aircraft even without
                                a superpower as potential adversary.  The
current generation
                of missiles and
                                aircraft are extremely lethal and easily
acquired by
                virtually any entity
                                with the cash and connections.  Credit
advances in computing
                and CAD for
                                this situation; we need to leverage our
national advantage
                in high
                                technology just to maintain a slight edge.
                                I recall the criticisms of the M1 Abrams
battle tank, Apache
                helicopter, and
                                Bradley Fighting Vehicle in the 1980's.  All
experienced
                delays and cost
                                overruns, yet proved their overwhelming
capabilities during
                the Gulf War.
                                I know that Boeing relies on HP3000 systems;
does anyone
                know if
                                Lockheed-Martin has any?  Perhaps if the
F-22 program had
                some portion of it
                                reliant on our favorite platform we all
could be more
                comfortable with its
                                continuation and ultimate success.
                                "Feeling a little like Wirt after this
off-topic discourse",
                                Robert Joseph
                                The NPD Group
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