At the risk of infuriating all of you on the list....

The announcement made by CSY is interesting, but a little behind the times.
All CSY did was integrate a higher clock speed PA 8200 chipset that has been
available on the HP 9000 line for at least nine months.  In my opinion they
should be more current on technology than this, while still providing the
reliability and stability that all HP 3000 users have come to expect.

One other issue that seems to be neglected....

Application availability is still below par on the HP 3000.  Until this
changes, and CSY speeds up the integration of new technologies, the HP 3000
will not enter the mainstream.  (Granted, some of these are marketing
issues, but this is what drives products today.  Witness Windows vs. OS/2
and Oracle vs. other databases.)

Simon Palmer

-----Original Message-----
From: Stigers, Greg [And] <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 9:16 AM
Subject: HP to reinvigorate midrange servers


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>Mr. Shankland,
>
>I would like to thank you for your article, and appreciate reading somewhat
>more favorable press on the 3000. I do not know how many subscribers to the
>HP 3000 listserv recognized your name from your 'HP takes new tack on
>e-commerce' article from just last week.
>
>I am sorry that the postings on the 3000 listserv were not somewhat more
>favorable, and so am posting this there as well. I do not think that the
>responses I have read is how we encourage awareness of our platform.
>
>There are some buzzwords as well as some hot points in your article. I
>appreciated reading about Apache in some detail, all accurate. It, with
>SAMBA, was 'grass roots', ported by others, but HP saw the sense in
>negotiating their adoption, while the other porters will continue their
work
>as well on the absolute latest versions available (HP is not known for huge
>public beta tests). And the secure web console is new news, still being
>discussed on the list. I also appreciated the indirect reference to JDBC as
>Java access to IMAGE/SQL. Frankly, although I am in interested in seeing it
>happen, I had forgotten about LDAP.
>
>I would have preferred the buzzword 'high availability' over robust, but I
>don't think that anyone will say that we are not robust. And resurrect
seems
>a little strong; revival or recommitment seem closer to it, since we were
>never dead. Sales of the 3000 are higher today, with more sold in the
>eighteen month period after HP started announcing their plans than in the
>previous five years. As for the decades-old lineage, well, that is our
>legacy, one that we are proud of, and although we know our OS to be as open
>as POSIX.2 it complies with, we agree that proprietary need not be a bad
>word (it hasn't hurt the AS/400). The first binary that was compiled on an
>HP 3000 twenty six years ago will still run on the newest, high-end HP 3000
>available today, albeit it in compatibility mode, despite the profound
>growth of the hardware and software, because of HP's commitment to forward
>compatibility.
>
>Greg Stigers
>CGI Information Systems and Management Consultants, Inc.
>insert std disclaimers
>