Here's what I hope is a solution to those folks using a Microsoft Mailer -
the ones that produce the WINMAIL.DAT file (which, by the way, *is* the RTF
format of the message and any attachments - yes - any files you send are
attached to the RTF file and not accessible to those who use plain text
mailers).

It's real simple...  Create an entry in the address book for HP3000-L (and
anyone else you correspond with which needs only text), and ensure that the
"Send with RTF" is Unchecked.  This will ensure that all messages are sent
as Plain Text (even though it may appear as RTF on your screen).

If it's a one-time thing, while the message is open, click File/Properties
in the message menu, and uncheck the "Send as Microsoft RTF..." on the
property sheet - and the message will be sent as plain text.

Plain text is denoted in a MS Mailer as using a Fixed Font like Courier, and
the default for RTF is Arial.  If you reply to an HP3000-L message that
comes in as text, then it will go back out as Plain Text.  If it comes in as
RTF, it will go back out as RTF (except for Outlook 98, which will ask if
that HP3000-L entry is set up in your address book).

Hope this helps.  Since most HP3000-L users use plain text mailers, posts
should be sent in plain text.  I've been just as guilty in this too -
usually when I put up a beta copy and all my settings get hosed in some way
or another... but I always set them back when I catch wind of the problem).

Best Regards,
Joe

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On
> Behalf Of John D. Alleyn-Day
> Sent: Saturday, May 09, 1998 4:05 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Quotes & WinMail.DAT
>
>
> Lars Appel <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> >Okay, if I had one or two wishes in regard to eMail and standards,
> >then I'd love to see many, most or all people responding to a posting
> >reduce the quoted parts of the original messages to only those few
> >passages that are essential and not append a verbatim copy of the old
> >message (which makes reading the list or even list digest a pain and
> >wastes a lot of bandwith -- just like this "rant" does ;-)
>
> I second this strongly.  I get the list in digest form and the messages
> with a quoted message that includes another quoted message (ad infinium et
> nauseam) make the digest almost incomprehensible.  This is particularly
> diabolical when the address and signature are all quoted, because
> one finds
> oneself reading the same message over and over again and not able to find
> the one or two lines of new stuff.  The divisions between messages become
> indistinguishable, especially as some of these programs put the quoted
> message at the beginning and some at the end!
>
> I understand that there are e-mail programs that won't allow you to edit
> the quoted text. It's incomprehensible to me that anyone would
> pay out good
> money for such an inadequate piece of junk.
>
> John D. Alleyn-Day
> Alleyn-Day International
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>