Hi Roy and Al,
There are following issues coming out of this discussion:
1) Why should one take backup in preferably standalone environment?
Ans: To the best of my knowledge, this problem will be there with all
the multitasking operating systems (Find out about NT).
(Single tasking OS will not face problem because backup is the
only job running!!)
If you do not, than all open files' backup MAY NOT BE reliable.
So, the price you pay (by not having the standalone environment)
is known to you.
In your case, if there are really no users at night (and they
haven't kept open their files), back up is reliable from user's
point of view.
If applications are running (fax servises etc.) at night, you
know that those files are open and you also will have them,
from where you loaded. (You may back up them once in a
while , if customized applications.)
However there always are smart solutions to decrease the
downtime of the system.
HP-3000 has one! Turbo store true online is the name of the
product.You can get the information on this from HP reponse
centres.
Check with your system , there must be an option called
online for store command.
2) Does HP has plans to fix this? Do they consider this as problem?
Well, it is answered above.
3) You learn somethings hard way!
You must know the soft ways. For example HP's Response centre
could have provided you the information on NetWare/iX and
MPE Back up strategies.
4) All servises are to be started at PCs (manually) !
You can try writing smart batch files!
5) Restore?
NWRESTORE is the utility and I guess it is best done , when
NetWare is not up.
There can be smart ways to workaround this using nwixcopy!
PLEASE USE THE HP SUPPORT CHANNEL for more information.
(You anyway will get some more in this thread ;-) ).
Thanks.
MALAY K SHAH, NetWare/iX ,
CSY , B'lore.
Roy Brown wrote:
>
> In article <[log in to unmask]>, Al Ankers
> <[log in to unmask]> writes
> >A long time ago, when we install Novell on the HP3000/947 as our server, we
> >learned the hard way that unless we "downed" the network before the nightly
> >Turbostore backup, we were not storing the netware file directory so that
files
> >could be restored when needed from the backup tape.
>
> >It is my understanding from HP Response Center that even with 5.5, I still
have
> >to shutdown the network in order to backup the file server files.
> >
> >Now I do care! Any PC logged on to the network, FAX server, File Server,
Client
> >PC, Modem Server all get aborted by the network shutdown at midnight! Every
> >server must be rebooted each morning. What a pain!
> >
> >Does anyone know if HP is going fix this! Do they even consider it to be a
> >problem? Is this HP's way to force me to an NT Server? Am I the only one
having
> >this problem?
> >
> >Al Ankers
>
> Busy man, Al!
>
> Presumably you also learned the hard way that you need a special program
> (albeit supplied by HP) to restore Netware files (RESTORE won't do it),
> and that if you don't get it just right, all your timestamps go
> wrong.....
>
> We are like you were - an overnight shutdown is only a minor pain. But
> are you saying that you can backup a 'real' Novell Netware on the fly,
> even with processing going on?
>
> Or is it really like the HP RESTORE for MPE files, where it looks as if
> you can do that, but open files are missed and running processes can be
> inhibited if you try? This can be even more insidious than the Netware
> situation!
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