King <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
 
> Robert The Doctor Coleman wrote: > > In article
> <[log in to unmask]>, [log in to unmask] > (John
> Eacrett) wrote: > > > BigAl <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > >
> >MACINTOSH ISN'T SHIT, EASIEST COMPUTER TO USE IN THE WORLD. Did you know
> > > >that that Intel Inside graphic was made on a Mac?
>
> Computers weren't made for the techno-phobes...  If someone wants
> "easy-to-use" they should buy a toaster.  If they want easy-to-use games,
> they should buy a Nintendo, if they want a computer, they should be ready
> to screw with IRQ, DMA, and address conflicts.  Who cares which OS is the
> easiest to use?  DOS beats the hell out of Windows, and which is easier to
> use?
 
I see because you think that computers should make users learn these
things, OSes should require users to have to set these things
themselves.  I guess we should all have to run telephone wire to our
houses and create our own telecommunication transmitters that work with
all others.  Yea, lets all get switch boards in our homes like
businesses that first got telephones had too.
 
Not having to do those things by hand is an innovation and one that
works on a mac.  We can not help it if your OSes can not do the same.  I
probably know more about both Mac's and PC's than you and frankly I love
being able to use my computer more than I have to play with DMA's,
IRQ's, etc.
 
> > > Pardon me for updating your reality, but... > > > > 1.  Mac prices
have come down.  A comparably equiped PC is much more than > > half of
the Mac cost.  The prices are much more competitive. > > Mac prices are
still non-competitive with PC prices...  Sure, I've seen an $1800 > Mac,
with features similar (but not quite equivalent to, a P133), but when I
buy a > computer, wouldn't it be nice to get a MONITOR, too?  Add a
monitor to the Mac's > cost, and it's about $500-600 more than the
equivalent PC. > > > 2.  There are choices of OS for Mac.  There are
people running Unix on a > > Mac.  I've heard of people running the NeXT
operating system on a Mac, but > > I can't confirm that.  Some of the
latest PowerPC's can run DoS and > > Windows right out of the box.
Admittedly, there arn't a lot of people > > using these systems, but how
many people do you personally know who use > > Unix on a PC? > >
Actually, LOTS of people are using Unix flavors on the PC.  Several
friends of mine > use Linux, and I'm highly considering d/ling
Slackware.  But do you SEE Apple > selling Macs with pre-loaded
NeXTStep, or do you have to buy that wonderful MAC OS, > first? > Does
Dell or most of your major PC manufactures?
 
> > 3.  Many people have poked at the fact that there are fewer Mac titles
> > published than PC titles.  I've looked at a lot of PC titles, most of
> > them are crap.  Yes, if you've got 240 different word proccessors
> > available you have variety, but is it worth it if ony 10 of that 240 are
> > worth looking at?  Maybe we only have 20 word processors to choose from,
> > but we still have 10 worthwile word processors.  PC advocates also keep
> > overlooking that there is a lot of software that is only available for
> > the Mac.
>
> My, look how much longer Doom took to become a part of the Mac family than
> the PC family...  Geez, I'd say about 20 months!  Now, if you can stand to
> see your best friend jumping at Quake when you just get Doom II, that's
> fine, but I like to have the hot games while they're still hot, not
> luke-warm...  And the excess of apps leaves the choice to personal taste,
> where Mac taste has just kind of been xeroxed (all Mac users are the
> same).  I much prefer several shareware text editors to Microsoft Word
> 6.0...  hell, the old Borland IDE is almost favorable over MS Word.
 
There is a bigger customer base for the PC.  This is because the Mac
used to cost so much more, I would have cost too much for businesses to
convert and many people buy computers with out doing research.
 
> > 4.  Someone elsewhere mentioned a closed architecture.  The Mac
> > architecture is no longer closed.  You can't use that as an agument
> > anymore.
>
> Golly, how did Macs become so "open"?  Maybe it was PCI, designed by
> INTEL!  Golly, if I were a Mac user, that would be the last straw...  Macs
> are the black sheep of the computer industry, always self-righteous
> pompous pigs, but like so many other things like them, when they step back
> and look at themselves, they see just a big pile of crap, so they
> desperately try to be liked, they even get most of the good things that
> others do, but still, they're no good...
 
Look again, PCI was not developed by intel.  Intel incorporated it in to
their processors.  I do not remember the company's name, but it was in
Byte back when Intel was thinking of incorporating PCI. > > > In the
end, it isn't a question of what computer you use, but how you use > >
it and how happy you are working with it. > > Yes, and I'd much prefer
my 486SX-33 with 8MB RAM and a 240MB IDE HD well over a > Power Mac 225
with 32MB RAM and a 4GB HD...  and I'm sure 99.99% of PC users would >
agree with me... > > King
 
Some people are into innovations and many can not handle them.  Apple
has lead the PC market with new technologies.  You guys would not have
gotten near as much from Microsoft if it was not for Apple.  How many
innovative technology awards does Microsoft get?  Woop-te-do, do 90% of
all car owners have Astin-Martins, Ferrari's, etc.  Are you going to
argue that Fords are better than these cars?  Apple is that far ahead of
the PC. How many PC users know what a Mac is?  How many of them have
used one enough to make a fair judgement?  Not many!  People do not
usually get to use macs first and many PC users that have used macs did
not use then long enough to learn them and see their advantages.  In a
few years the Mac will be stable again and will have all those advanced
structural advancements found in Windows NT and more.
 
This debate is getting old.  You are never going to give mac a chance or
let users try them with out inputing you bias statements and comments.
I, on the other hand, have used PC's and sometimes I still have to
trouble shoot them and I hate it just as much as I did before I started
using macs.
 
Remember PC's are not some driving force that has been blowing away the
competition.  It is something that came out before all others and
frankly Microsoft had the only OS and IMB backed them heavly.  After
that the train was in motion it was unstopable.  Most people only see
the first train that comes along and they hop on it.  It is too hard a
task to switch trains while they are moving so people back their train
100% even if they do not know the advantages of getting on the other
train.  How many of the PC users that would back your claims know as
much about macs as they do pc's?
 
-- Sincerely,
 
Christopher L. Mirchandani