(Newsgroup readers and others who understand the offensive "MAC..." posts
are newsgroup fallout may delete now. Confused list readers may continue!)
I made a goof last night. I replied once to Joe Geiser when he commented
on this ridiculous, off-color and off-topic thread. I intended to post to
the entire list to help seal the fate of the thread, but instead I replied
directly to Joe. I discovered this after getting other mail from a somewhat
disturbed John Korb, and a follow-up message:
On Thu, 27 Jun 1996 00:40:24 -0400 John said:
>I no sooner clicked on "Send" than I got a new "MAC is..." message. Will it
>ever end?
So, let me repeat my reply to Joe Geiser's comment that I meant to post to
the list last night:
------------------------begin reply to Joe---------------------------------
On Wed, 26 Jun 1996 22:27:09 -0400 Joe said:
>I've enough of seeing this subject line/os garbage in my mailbox! Let's stop
>using it and start having some intelligent conversation [...]
>Leave it in newsgroups and IRC...not here...
>(It's enough to make someone UNSUBSCRIBE)
Please don't unsubscribe, Joe. Ironically, yours was the first reply "here"
in terms of the list, the rest was fall-out from the newsgroups. Let me
explain briefly (well, briefly for me :-) ).
The *original* post that showed up here came from a newsgroup article that
was cross-posted to a dozen or so newsgroups by a rather clueless individual.
Subsequent readers of *any* of the newsgroups that replied to the message in
their news reader with a plain "followup" were inadvertantly cross-posting
replies to the original list of newsgroups. It's the one feature of news
that I dislike most.
Unfortunately there's nothing I can do about such posts, nor stop the
subsequent follow-ups. The best approach is to let it die. If you wish
to vent frustration, reply to the sender and fire up the flamethrower.
-----------------------end reply to Joe-----------------------------------
This led to another point - I found out many of you were unaware of the real
source of these unsolicited comments, so I had one more follow-up:
Here are some "unexpurgated" headers from this thread with "HP3000-L" being
replaced by "our-list" so Listserv won't get annoyed at me; my comments are
interspersed. If you have one of those "fancy GUI" mailers this is the
stuff you probably never see:
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from UTCVM.UTC.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@UTCVM) by UTCVM.UTC.EDU
(LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4994; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 23:42:47 -0400
Received: from UTCVM.UTC.EDU by UTCVM.UTC.EDU (LISTSERV release 1.8b) with NJE
id 9029 for [log in to unmask]; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 23:42:41 -0400
Received: from UTCVM (NJE origin SMTP@UTCVM) by UTCVM.UTC.EDU (LMail
V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4986; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 23:42:41 -0400
Received: from AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU by UTCVM.UTC.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP;
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [AUVM is where the newsgroup gateway lives]
Wed, 26 Jun 96 23:42:39 EDT
Received: from AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU by AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with
BSMTP id 2455; Wed, 26 Jun 96 23:42:08 EDT
Received: from AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU (NJE origin NETNEWS@AUVM) by AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU
^^^^^^^^^^^^ [the gateway itself]
(LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0797; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 23:42:08 -0400
Path: auvm!paladin.american.edu!gatech!rutgers!sgigate.sgi.com!
swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ncar!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!aanews.merit
.net!news.voyager.net!NewsWatcher!user
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^^^^^^^^^^ <[log in to unmask]>
[previous <[log in to unmask]>
messages <[log in to unmask]>
on this <[log in to unmask]>
thread] <[log in to unmask]>
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<Pine.SOL.3.93.960623080643.21786A-100000@mail>
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NNTP-Posting-Host: lans224.dial.voyager.net
Xref: paladin.american.edu comp.sys.mac.advocacy:130960
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
comp.os.msdos.misc:58671 comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy:156796
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
alt.tasteless.jokes:114562 alt.flame:244690 alt.aol-sucks:75820
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
comp.sys.hp.mpe:24292 alt.startrek.creative:36613 alt.startrek.borg:966
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
alt.startrek.trill:515 alt.startrek:7260 rec.arts.startrek.misc:82424
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[This is the ticket -- the article has been posted to every newsgroup above]
Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 00:10:39 -0400
Reply-To: Don Hargraves <[log in to unmask]>
Sender: HP-3000 Systems Discussion <[log in to unmask]>
From: Don Hargraves <[log in to unmask]>
Organization: The Archaic Anarchists Association, AKA the Luddites
Subject: Re: MACINTOSH IS [snip]
To: Multiple recipients of list HP3000-L <[log in to unmask]>
[Article snipped out of generosity :-) ]
How comp.sys.hp.mpe got thrown in with those other groups I have no idea,
unless someone caught one of our "friendlier" Mac threads and forwarded
it to one of the more relevant comp.sys or comp.os groups above.
Now I'll hush before *I* become the major source of noise on the list (if
I'm not already) :-)
Jeff Kell <[log in to unmask]>
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