Yes once you press the "any" key and interrupt the boot process, tell it
"Y" to get to the ISL prompt.
(Never told it "N" for no, wonder what would happen?)
Anyway then do an "HE" for help.
One of the commands is "AUTOBOOT" enter that, and it will prompt you to
turn it on or off.
So if you turn it off, at least you won't get that START NORECOVERY
against your will anymore.
On 12/21/21 6:14 PM, Tracy Johnson wrote:
> I don't remember exactly how to change from START RECOVERY to START
> NORECOVERY.
>
> But I do recall that if you after a reboot, and you're willing to wait
> for that magic 10 seconds to hit the "any" key (inside joke there) at
> the console, you can interrupt the process.
>
> Then there is a menu item at the prompt where you can turn that pesky
> autoboot off.
>
> At least you can then manually type START NORECOVERY yourself.
>
> (Maybe the startup string can also be changed at the same menu, not
> sure.)
>
> I'll take the empire machine down and test it out to refresh my memory.
>
> When I'm sure I'll make a new post.
>
>
> On 12/21/21 4:13 PM, Robert Liesenfeld wrote:
>> Thank you to everyone for your sage advice! I was able to successfully
>> back up and restore my system from the spinning SCSI drives to a
>> SCSI2SD.
>> Unfortunately my SCSI2SD v6 didn't seem to be seen by the system, so
>> I'm on
>> a 5.2; this means less performance but as this is a hobby system, I'm
>> not
>> too concerned.
>>
>> I have a few more questions that I hope someone can help me with, or at
>> least point me in the right direction.
>>
>> What terminal app do you all recommend for use under Windows? I found
>> QCTerm on hpmuseum.net and it seems to be the best freely available
>> option,
>> but it has a few minor bugs. And, on one system, I somehow got it
>> into a
>> state where it won't start anymore. I've also tried freevt3k/xhpterm
>> but
>> this seems very limited and hasn't had any attention in years, as far
>> as I
>> can tell. I applied for an evaluation version of Reflection, which
>> is what
>> I recall using in the 90s, but the response has been resounding silence
>> from the company (now Micro Focus). I imagine they probably don't have
>> anyone working the sales pipeline for HP 3000 terminal software any
>> longer.
>>
>> I have my 927LX connected via Ethernet, and was able to figure out
>> NMMGR,
>> NETCONTROL, NSCONTROL, and how to stream the INETD job. I added these
>> commands to my SYSSTART.PUB.SYS, but NETCONTROL and NSCONTROL always
>> seem
>> to fail. If I log in as MANAGER.SYS and run the commands manually,
>> everything works fine. What am I doing wrong here?
>>
>> Why can't I log in after START RECOVERY ? If I allow the system to boot
>> automatically, ISL performs an automatic START RECOVERY. Once the
>> system
>> boots, HELLO MANAGER.SYS fails; I forget the exact message but something
>> about the system being unavailable or busy. I'm guessing there's some
>> "recovery is done" flag I have to set as OPERATOR.SYS after booting,
>> but I
>> don't have the first clue where to find this. Any thoughts?
>> Alternatively, is there a way to convince ISL to automatically boot with
>> START NORECOVERY? Again since this is a hobby machine for me, I'm not
>> concerned with restarting running jobs.
>>
>> Thanks again for any advice.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 7:42 AM Tracy Johnson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> Me too. The ability for "online" backups such as Turbostore and other
>>> 3rd party backups also lets you store those other "pesky" un-storable
>>> files. (Which may add a little redundancy to that CLST.)
>>>
>>> On 12/20/21 10:30 AM, Keven Miller (3kG) wrote:
>>>> I recall that SWITCHLOG suggestion - but apparently have not
>>>> implemeted it.
>>>>
>>>> I've choosen to keep my CSLT and BACKUPS separate.
>>>> Speeds up the CSLT creation. Separate tapes for each part.
>>>>
>>>> Here is part of my FULLBACK job
>>>>
>>>> !SETVAR BACKLIST "FB" +RHT("0!HPYEAR",2) +RHT("0!HPMONTH",2) &
>>>> ! +RHT("0!HPDATE",2)
>>>> !
>>>> !FILE OFFLINE=!BACKLIST.LOG.LAB;DEV=DISC;DISC=400000;NOCCTL
>>>> !FILE FULLBACK;DEV=AUTO7
>>>> !
>>>> !IF NOT FINFO ( "BULDJOB1", "EXISTS" ) THEN
>>>> ! BULDACCT @
>>>> !ENDIF
>>>> !
>>>> !ECHO @[log in to unmask] >>BACK
>>>> !ECHO @[log in to unmask] >>BACK
>>>> !ECHO @[log in to unmask]@[log in to unmask]@[log in to unmask]@.LAB-!HPSPOOLID.OUT.HPSPOOL >>BACK
>>>> !PRINT BACK
>>>> !
>>>> !STORE ^BACK;*FULLBACK;SHOW=OFFLINE;DIRECTORY;PROGRESS=5;&
>>>> ! ONERR=QUIT;STATISTICS
>>>> !
>>>> !SHOWVAR STORE@
>>>> !
>>>>
>>>> It creates the OFFLINE store listing in FByymmdd.LOG.LAB.
>>>> Does a BULDACCT for recreating the directory structure
>>>> Stores the SYS account first. Allows me access to system tools
>>>> while the long process of restore proceeds.
>>>> If you have many accounts alphabetically before SYS, you would not
>>>> have
>>>> access to SYS until all that restored.
>>>> Store my LAB account, with all my other tools - done first for same
>>>> reason as SYS.
>>>> Finally, stores the whole system, minus all that I stored before.
>>>> Also not the minus of WGCONFIG, and this job's SPOOLFILE.
>>>>
>>>> When ran with no other jobs, I get the same list as you.
>>>>
>>>> 8 /SYS/PUB/DSTLGTAB NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> 9 /SYS/PUB/DSTLID NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> 10 /SYS/PUB/DSTRINS NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> 11 /SYS/PUB/DSTWELC1 NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> 12 /SYS/PUB/DSTWELC2 NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> 13 /SYS/PUB/FPROTECT NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> 14 /SYS/PUB/HFFFFFFA NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> 15 /SYS/PUB/HFFFFFFB NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> 16 /SYS/PUB/HPGID NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> 17 /SYS/PUB/HPGIDNX NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> 18 /SYS/PUB/HPUID NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> 19 /SYS/PUB/HPUIDNX NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> 20 /SYS/PUB/JMATFILE NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> 21 /SYS/PUB/JOBQFILE NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> 22 /SYS/PUB/LOADLIST NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> 23 /SYS/PUB/LOG0123 NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> 24 /SYS/PUB/MEMLOG NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> 25 /SYS/PUB/NMLG0129 NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> 26 /SYS/PUB/SL NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Liesenfeld"
>>>> <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>
>>>>> :print storeset.pub.sys
>>>>> @[log in to unmask]@;PROGRESS;SHOW=DATES;DIRECTORY;ONVS=MPEXL_SYSTEM_VOLUME_SET,DEV
>>>>>
>>>>> sysgen> ta dest=offline store=^storeset.pub.sys
>>>>>
>>>>> /HPSPOOL/OUT/O100 NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>>> /HPSPOOL/OUT/O99 NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>>> /SYS/MPEXL/WGCONFIG NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>>> /SYS/PUB/DSTLGTAB NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>>> /SYS/PUB/DSTLID NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>>> /SYS/PUB/DSTRINS NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>>> /SYS/PUB/DSTWELC1 NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>>> /SYS/PUB/DSTWELC2 NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>>> /SYS/PUB/FPROTECT NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>>> /SYS/PUB/HPGID NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>>> /SYS/PUB/HPGIDNX NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>>> /SYS/PUB/HPUID NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>>> /SYS/PUB/HPUIDNX NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>>> /SYS/PUB/JMATFILE NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>>> /SYS/PUB/JOBQFILE NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>>> /SYS/PUB/LOADLIST NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>>> /SYS/PUB/LOG0015 NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>>> /SYS/PUB/LOG4ONLN NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>>> /SYS/PUB/MEMLOG NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>>> /SYS/PUB/NMLG0014 NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>>> /SYS/PUB/SL NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>>>
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>>> BT
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