My guess is that "HIPRI" is required to get around the session limit being initially set to 0
Terry W Simpkins
Yorktown, VA 23693
IBA # 8778 SS1000, SS2000, BBG, 50CC
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-----Original Message-----
From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Roy Brown
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2021 4:35 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] Files not stored from sysgen
Try HELLO MANAGER.SYS;HIPRI
That’s what we have to do.
Roy
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> On 21 Dec 2021, at 21:13, Robert Liesenfeld <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Thank you to everyone for your sage advice! I was able to
> successfully back up and restore my system from the spinning SCSI drives to a SCSI2SD.
> Unfortunately my SCSI2SD v6 didn't seem to be seen by the system, so
> I'm on a 5.2; this means less performance but as this is a hobby
> system, I'm not too concerned.
>
> I have a few more questions that I hope someone can help me with, or
> at least point me in the right direction.
>
> What terminal app do you all recommend for use under Windows? I found
> QCTerm on hpmuseum.net and it seems to be the best freely available
> option, but it has a few minor bugs. And, on one system, I somehow
> got it into a state where it won't start anymore. I've also tried
> freevt3k/xhpterm but this seems very limited and hasn't had any
> attention in years, as far as I can tell. I applied for an evaluation
> version of Reflection, which is what I recall using in the 90s, but
> the response has been resounding silence from the company (now Micro
> Focus). I imagine they probably don't have anyone working the sales pipeline for HP 3000 terminal software any longer.
>
> I have my 927LX connected via Ethernet, and was able to figure out
> NMMGR, NETCONTROL, NSCONTROL, and how to stream the INETD job. I
> added these commands to my SYSSTART.PUB.SYS, but NETCONTROL and
> NSCONTROL always seem to fail. If I log in as MANAGER.SYS and run the
> commands manually, everything works fine. What am I doing wrong here?
>
> Why can't I log in after START RECOVERY ? If I allow the system to
> boot automatically, ISL performs an automatic START RECOVERY. Once
> the system boots, HELLO MANAGER.SYS fails; I forget the exact message
> but something about the system being unavailable or busy. I'm
> guessing there's some "recovery is done" flag I have to set as
> OPERATOR.SYS after booting, but I don't have the first clue where to find this. Any thoughts?
> Alternatively, is there a way to convince ISL to automatically boot
> with START NORECOVERY? Again since this is a hobby machine for me,
> I'm not concerned with restarting running jobs.
>
> Thanks again for any advice.
>
> -Rob
>
>
>> On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 7:42 AM Tracy Johnson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> Me too. The ability for "online" backups such as Turbostore and
>> other 3rd party backups also lets you store those other "pesky"
>> un-storable files. (Which may add a little redundancy to that CLST.)
>>
>>> On 12/20/21 10:30 AM, Keven Miller (3kG) wrote:
>>> I recall that SWITCHLOG suggestion - but apparently have not
>>> implemeted it.
>>>
>>> I've choosen to keep my CSLT and BACKUPS separate.
>>> Speeds up the CSLT creation. Separate tapes for each part.
>>>
>>> Here is part of my FULLBACK job
>>>
>>> !SETVAR BACKLIST "FB" +RHT("0!HPYEAR",2) +RHT("0!HPMONTH",2) &
>>> ! +RHT("0!HPDATE",2)
>>> !
>>> !FILE OFFLINE=!BACKLIST.LOG.LAB;DEV=DISC;DISC=400000;NOCCTL
>>> !FILE FULLBACK;DEV=AUTO7
>>> !
>>> !IF NOT FINFO ( "BULDJOB1", "EXISTS" ) THEN
>>> ! BULDACCT @
>>> !ENDIF
>>> !
>>> !ECHO @[log in to unmask] >>BACK
>>> !ECHO @[log in to unmask] >>BACK
>>> !ECHO @[log in to unmask]@[log in to unmask]@[log in to unmask]@.LAB-!HPSPOOLID.OUT.HPSPOOL >>BACK
>>> !PRINT BACK
>>> !
>>> !STORE ^BACK;*FULLBACK;SHOW=OFFLINE;DIRECTORY;PROGRESS=5;&
>>> ! ONERR=QUIT;STATISTICS
>>> !
>>> !SHOWVAR STORE@
>>> !
>>>
>>> It creates the OFFLINE store listing in FByymmdd.LOG.LAB.
>>> Does a BULDACCT for recreating the directory structure Stores the
>>> SYS account first. Allows me access to system tools
>>> while the long process of restore proceeds.
>>> If you have many accounts alphabetically before SYS, you would not
>>> have
>>> access to SYS until all that restored.
>>> Store my LAB account, with all my other tools - done first for same
>>> reason as SYS.
>>> Finally, stores the whole system, minus all that I stored before.
>>> Also not the minus of WGCONFIG, and this job's SPOOLFILE.
>>>
>>> When ran with no other jobs, I get the same list as you.
>>>
>>> 8 /SYS/PUB/DSTLGTAB NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>> 9 /SYS/PUB/DSTLID NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>> 10 /SYS/PUB/DSTRINS NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>> 11 /SYS/PUB/DSTWELC1 NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>> 12 /SYS/PUB/DSTWELC2 NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>> 13 /SYS/PUB/FPROTECT NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>> 14 /SYS/PUB/HFFFFFFA NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>> 15 /SYS/PUB/HFFFFFFB NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>> 16 /SYS/PUB/HPGID NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>> 17 /SYS/PUB/HPGIDNX NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>> 18 /SYS/PUB/HPUID NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>> 19 /SYS/PUB/HPUIDNX NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>> 20 /SYS/PUB/JMATFILE NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>> 21 /SYS/PUB/JOBQFILE NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>> 22 /SYS/PUB/LOADLIST NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>> 23 /SYS/PUB/LOG0123 NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>> 24 /SYS/PUB/MEMLOG NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>> 25 /SYS/PUB/NMLG0129 NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>> 26 /SYS/PUB/SL NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Liesenfeld"
>>> <[log in to unmask]>
>>>
>>>> :print storeset.pub.sys
>>>> @[log in to unmask]@;PROGRESS;SHOW=DATES;DIRECTORY;ONVS=MPEXL_SYSTEM_VOLUME_SET,DE
>>>> V
>>>>
>>>> sysgen> ta dest=offline store=^storeset.pub.sys
>>>>
>>>> /HPSPOOL/OUT/O100 NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> /HPSPOOL/OUT/O99 NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> /SYS/MPEXL/WGCONFIG NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> /SYS/PUB/DSTLGTAB NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> /SYS/PUB/DSTLID NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> /SYS/PUB/DSTRINS NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> /SYS/PUB/DSTWELC1 NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> /SYS/PUB/DSTWELC2 NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> /SYS/PUB/FPROTECT NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> /SYS/PUB/HPGID NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> /SYS/PUB/HPGIDNX NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> /SYS/PUB/HPUID NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> /SYS/PUB/HPUIDNX NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> /SYS/PUB/JMATFILE NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> /SYS/PUB/JOBQFILE NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> /SYS/PUB/LOADLIST NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> /SYS/PUB/LOG0015 NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> /SYS/PUB/LOG4ONLN NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> /SYS/PUB/MEMLOG NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>> /SYS/PUB/NMLG0014 NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING /SYS/PUB/SL
>>>> NOT STORED: FILE IS OPEN FOR WRITING
>>>>
>>>
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>> --
>> Tracy Johnson
>> BT
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>> NNNN
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