Roy, The Oracle company owns a product called Oracle, but does not claim any 'language' capability. They do partner with others who do make such claims. https://docs.oracle.com/middleware/1212/adf/ADFCG/appendix-4gl-comparison.htm#ADFCG276 Tom. * To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, * * etc., please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html *